As a bard, I pull everything in sight except the mobs that screw up kites. Sarnak casters, Rhinos, and I'm hearing cats now too.

There's plenty of those going around and mobs I missed for other people to grab. If not... There are plenty of other zones for people to kill in that bards cannot.

It's really like 2-3 zones that bards occupy, atleast ones leveling - not PLers. PLing bards are a whole other matter.

Can you tell me what zone you'll be in next so I can take all your merbs.

The truth is some bards out there, or any class for that matter are jerks. You should message them nicely (because we are going to assume the people who are feeling disrupted are aromatically not jerks) and ask them to share the space and if they are a jerk to you /report them.

Also, every night (you should just give it a try if you dont cus its fun!) try leveling in a totally new zone! or at least a different one than you did last night. Therea re lots!

Also, also... one day if you play hard enough, you might make a bard and then be like ;/ now I'm doing it, whops.

Zander said to me once, "A good bard gets his kite started in the back of the zone, they only go to the populated area at the end to grab the last few mobs and run back out of sight to kill it and repopulate the crowded area asap" Ok he didnt say that exactly, but he said something along those lines and I respected it.

If you see a bard doing bard kiting and its really disruptive at least you can have the satisfaction of knowing they are a sucky bard. Also they suck at life. So you're totally winning (especially if you can figure out how to let it not be a problem for you!)

Also, also, also... click the link in my sig while you post in this thread.

Linking this thread because it's awesome. I PLed this guy, then a cleric named Permuh, to high 40s, and then he traded his cleric for the bard Rojas. Never forget Rojas 2013.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=113785

Skip to Edame's post on page 6 for the good part ^

Anyone remember when in the timeline Bard dot songs were nerfed to where it does no damage if the target is moving? This whole bard taking up entire zones was a big thing for a bit back on live as well.. and if I remember right the no damage when target is moving still stands today on Live

My favorite thing about forums is after that long and pleading post to play nice together the first response is, 'this is nice and all but nope'

lol

The common misconception is that bards are deliberately trying to ruin your, or anyone elses fun.. They're probably just playing the game like you are.

Instead of freaking out on them (almost always the go-to response) ask if they can leave a certain section (i.e. aviaks, or sarnak fort), or a certain type of monster available to you.. (No bard pulls rhinos!)

Come to a compromise. There's no reason why your playing the game the way you want to is any less important than the two other people trying to play the game the way they want to.

If you get smashed by a bard train.. There's a 99% chance someone is going to come rez that bard, and his target.. Ask if you can get a rez, and an apology.. Some bards (Me when I'm on mine) if my train goes awry and I know for a fact I specifically got you killed.. I'll include you for my next pull, so you get more than compensated.

again.. Compromise.

Bard here, and new to the server.

It all boils down to respect. It's pretty pathetic for bards to operate their business in area of high traffic where others are playing. It's even worse when it's a high level bard PLing under these circumstances. I've seen it, an it ticks me off.

On the flip side, it's pretty disrespectful to moan dramatically in ooc as if you, I, or anyone owned roaming mobs. I've had a few times in OT where there are 5-7 people in the zone ... I've scouted out where others are hunting and avoided pulling those areas ... I'm mid kite, and some new guy zones in and proceeds to rant about me kiting and minding my own business. I do my best to avoid others. If it's crowded - I move on. If people ask to join and leech I generally oblige. Thankfully I play in the Australian time zone (ish) so prime time for me is that early am lull for the US where there are 200-400 people on the server.

I understand the gripe though. I've been in the other side as both a bard and my druid and had huge swaths of my lowbie zone monopolized my a single bard PLing. I've got no beef with PLing ... But it ideally should be done in a courteous way that doesn't impact others. I've taken donations to allow people roughly my level to leech xp, but if there are others hunting in the area, the person donating for xp leeching has to deal with smaller pulls from time to time so as not to impact others.

Troxx Tomte - 43 Bard
Ronadrum - 20 Druid

You don't have a firm grasp on probability do you? Are you really equating the probability of me not experiencing bards kiting to an extent that it ruins game play with the probability of you getting AIDS? The amount of holes in that analogy is ridiculous - just a few are: population size (billions vs thousands), risk factors (you actively avoid AIDS, where as people here actively seek out zones affected by bard kiting), duration... the list really goes on and on. Basically equating you getting AIDS with this issue simply doesn't apply in any regard, at least within the context of the point I was trying to make with my post...

Also, I wasn't saying that it doesn't happen. The whole premise of this post is that we need another server because the bard kiting issue is such a huge problem on the current server and I was simply offering anecdotal evidence that as someone who has probably spent more time playing here than 95% of the people on these forums, I don't see it as such since I've personally never encountered the problem. That isn't to say that it doesn't happen, but the amount of bitching about bards versus the amount of trouble they actually cause is ridiculous. People who sit in OT and complain about bards are whiny, entitled cry babies who would rather complain about their situation than find a solution. I've leveled 4 characters to 60, as well as a handful of others into the 50s, and none of them spent significant time in OT. To use your AIDS comparison, going to OT being surprised by bards kiting is like going to a gay orgy*, not wearing a condom and then being surprised when you catch something - wrap your shit up, or don't go to OT and you probably won't have a problem.

*gay orgy specifically used since the risk factors for transmitted diseases are much higher via unprotected anal sex.

This is the internet, my hostility is absolutely necessary. Fuck off.

bard taking mobs in OT is tantamount to catching AIDs.

it's science.