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Slathar 06-12-2015 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rayzor84 (Post 1932797)
So I spent days camping verina in window, with people there to assist if pop. Within the one hour that someone wasn't available she popped and I lost her, making the entire week a massive waste of time.

While I'm not faulting the people who did get her after their mind numbing 2 hours of socking, I feel there needs to be a better system. These 2 mobs are almost Co sisterly locked down by Rampage to begin with. The variance makes it so there's essentially no way to complete the epic without not only having a full 7 days, 24 hours per day yourself to watch this spawn, but also having others willing to do the same to get FTE. The insane variance coupled with how contested they are make it pretty much impossible for all but the most responsibility free individuals to finish it.

I understand there's a difference between being casual and not. But it shouldn't be an FTE race on top of a 7 day variance in which the mobs 2 days out of window isn't even known, because even being unemployed that's damn near impossible to achieve. Couple that with Rampage permaparking there and it's a shit fest.

Is there nothing to be done with this? Maybe add a component to spawn the mobs upon a turn in, or make it a static pop every 48 to 72 hours? It's really shitty devoting the time to a character and doing the rest of the epic quest just to not finish it because there's not enough socks in my drawer to poop in, for the weeks upon weeks of full on staring at the screen and potentially losing fte.

It may not quite be classic but I feel like it'll relieve a major source of problems. There's absolutely no reason these 2 mobs need such a horrendous variance given how ridiculous it is to get them in the first place.

Tldr week wasted, pissed off.


have you considered red?

Rayzor84 06-12-2015 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Slathar (Post 1933881)
have you considered red?

Maybe if I could charm players, I'd roll a red enchanter :P

Kileras 06-12-2015 09:04 AM

gotta do it on resets and earthquakes. we have been lucky, but despite being one of the newer class R guilds we have scored 3 or 4 chanter epics in the last 2 months.

Daldaen 06-12-2015 09:08 AM

As I mentioned earlier.

A 60 Enchanter can solo the spawn, you just have to have a decent strategy, wand of allure, and be prepared.

Also as I said earlier, killing her during her window is illadviced, lots of life time wasted. Bind there and on a simulated repop, go there immediately. Yes, Sim repop can be few and far between. But it's vastly superior to camping her (IMO).

For the last 4 repop a I've been around for, three of them I checked her after my guild had killed 1 or 2 dragons. Maybe 10-20minutes. She was down or someone was on her corpse each time. The most recent sim repop, I went for her immediately while my guild killed Sev. Yea, I missed out on a kill but I got the hardest part of the epic done. (While I was killing her a level 1 character named Meowkun watched, a tracker I've seen there many days)

An honest problem with Verina, is people will set up level 1 characters AFKed at the spawn, and leave them on their work computer with a different IP or something. This computer is setup to read a log file and send an email if they get a "Verina Tomb begins to cast a spell" log. GMs really need to boot these AFK'd level 1s to desktops if they're online for days.

People used to have a thread in the Caster section listing the time of death of Vessel/Verina, so that chanters could save themselves the 2 days of tracking when not in window. However that seems to have ceased happening.

I agree with you, variance is one of the dumbest things in the world that favors the unemployed neckbeards over your average player. However on this mob specifically, it is classic. 2000-2001 enchanters talk constantly about when they caught it up and how it ranges from 2-7 days randomly. You won't convince the devs to change this. Because as is always quoted, "Epics aren't for everyone".

What should change is the non-classic variance on Kunark raid mobs that further encourages basement-dwelling-neckbeards to poopsock for 16 hours a day. Variance doesn't help preventing poopsocking. It just extends it and pushes casual guilds out of competing.

Champion_Standing 06-12-2015 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rayzor84 (Post 1932797)
pretty much impossible for all but the most responsibility free individuals to finish it

What you expect to be a successful EQ player and successful IRL?

ROFLMAO

Samoht 06-12-2015 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Daldaen (Post 1933955)
An honest problem with Verina, is people will set up level 1 characters AFKed at the spawn, and leave them on their work computer with a different IP or something. This computer is setup to read a log file and send an email if they get a "Verina Tomb begins to cast a spell" log. GMs really need to boot these AFK'd level 1s to desktops if they're online for days.

Why would they do that? This isn't against the rules.

Rayzor84 06-12-2015 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Samoht (Post 1933993)
Why would they do that? This isn't against the rules.

It definitely should be, it'd clean some of the problem up.

Dald, I'll have to get a CH item to make the solo work so I'll work on that.

As for pets, will I really have time on a repop to run across the zone to grab a blue pet, then get back before she is engaged? And if I pull her to the pet instead, will I get nuked down/rooted?

cs616 06-12-2015 10:36 AM

Stop being a bitch. Either camp the mob, or dont do your epic. Every single enchanter with epic on this server had to do it, and many other classes have much more difficult epics. The staff doeent base their changes on what your willing or unwilling to do.

Daldaen 06-12-2015 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Samoht (Post 1933993)
Why would they do that? This isn't against the rules.

It's against the rules if it is set up on a computer like a work computer. For example:

You leave work today for the weekend with that character logged in. Level 1 on Work IP. No one is at the keyboard until Monday morning on this character.

You come home and neckbeards in Sebilis this weekend on your Enchanter.

This violates the 1 person 1 character rule of the server. Because you have 2 characters logged in, 1 just happens to be an AFK throw away toon logged onto your work.

However if you set it up on your home computer before you go to sleep, that's less against the rules. But the GMs will kick you off if you are AFKing with a pet to kill things, it isn't too much of a stretch to imagine they will kick your AFK level 1s running log parser that auto email you if a certain log is triggered.

@Rayzor, I pulled her to the pet. Primarily because I was a Druid and didn't have DE illusion, so the guards would've had to have been cleared. I got 1 nuke (resisted with probably 150 MR) before I got out of line of sight. Just stack up some MR gear and GRM yourself + Rune V yourself. You should be fine. It takes her about 30 seconds to get to catch you back there with SoW/Levitate (run the route beforehand so you know where you're going).

So you have to be quick if you intend on prepping your pet with junk buffs. Level 4 Mez -> level 4 Root -> Tash -> Charm -> Strength when Mez ends -> likely have to /pet attack Verina at this point, if he is still rooted be aware and make sure she has to run through your pet to get to you -> Bracer of Hidden/See invis pet when root ends -> Haste -> Feedback.

Your pets push is crucial to succeeding the fight. So make sure your pet doesn't pin her into a wall. There's a nice long walkway/bridge to that building that you can use.

I'd say spend most of the fight mana draining her. If you are feeling lucky you can try slowing her but if you generate a lot of aggro, your pet may take a bit to regain it on a break and you likely cannot tank her for more than a few rounds. Possibly try memblurring her after a few failed slow attempts if you're worried about aggro.

If she ever CHs you are likely in trouble. There is a secondary pet in the same building who is mediocre and you can try to grab a guard in a pinch if she is near the end of her health. If she CHs though you definitely have to get more aggressive and try to land a slow and start runeing your pet.

Man0warr 06-12-2015 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Samoht (Post 1933993)
Why would they do that? This isn't against the rules.

It's against the rules to have two characters logged in from different IPs, one being AFK.

But I don't see how just having 1 account logged in with logs on can be illegal. Whatever happens to the logged data afterwards is no one's business (unless it's used to generate a zone map which some people have done).

Otherwise you'd have to ban people parsing their logs for DPS numbers, as well as the EQ Auctions website that relies on people in EC Tunnel streaming their logs to a website.


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