Originally Posted by xexbis0 (Post 2209357)

I'm not going to be one of those people that blames BDA for the rotational downfall. They were simply the guild that finally pulled the trigger after going to bat for the little guys who just constantly wanted more more more without giving an inch in return. I don't blame them. At some point, you would at least hope that your efforts are appreciated by showing a little effort yourself to meet in the middle on issues.

The Main Issue
These mobs that spawned in off hour times eventually rotated into an FFA mob which would not move the ticker. Plenty of the rotational guilds had very specific time slots which they could kill these mobs, and some of these windows were particularly small. Taken and BDA specifically had to burn the midnight oil (granted this was well before where both guilds were later after the collapse in terms of strength) to play goalkeeper and ensure TMO and IB didn't come rolling in and smash the mob, resulting in the rotation not moving at all. The little guilds refused to move back spots as a result of their failure of not having the line move even when Taken/BDA/Divinity couldn't muster the 3am force on short notice not knowing the mob would end up needing the help. I'm sure you can see the frustration here. This automatically moved whichever guild to the back of the line. These 3 guilds were not enjoying the fun, stress-free life the rotation should have bought them. That's where the frustration truly was born.

Along Came Little Jimmy
More and more guilds kept popping up hoping to throw their name into the mix. Ideas were brought forth for barriers of entry to make it into the rotation. Some guilds QQd and swore to make lives harder claiming injustice if they didn't immediately get what they wanted, sometimes just plain sniping lesser mobs causing what should have been a relaxing track session due to having an X hour window to kill a mob into "we have to make sure we don't let them beat us to mobs". Again, no penalty in place to get outraced.

There's More? Of Course There Is
Guilds started allying to kill their class R mobs because they couldn't handle it on their own. THIS really was imo the final nail in the coffin. They refused to share joint spots on the rotation and rotate as a unit. After all, these guilds holding one spot couldn't even kill the raid mobs solo. At this point, BDA made the decision to say "fuck you guys, I've gone to bat for you over and over and over without seeing a thing given in return." Taken and Divinity were already fed the F up with all of it. BDA just signed off on "we've had enough of this crap going on a year already, tear it down." Plenty of time was given to the smaller guilds throughout the entire time period to come to a more equitable solution that didn't involve them gaming the rotation. No progress was ever close to being made.

Class R History Ladies n Gents

TL-DR - it's fun to say the big 3 were big meanies, but if you think the 2 class Cs would have had 1/8 the patience those guilds had you're loco. A year. That's how long they had to come up with better ideas, they wouldn't even take the barely change anything ones. The downfall of the R-otation was the little guilds calling the bigger guilds bluff that we wouldn't do anything about it.

Originally Posted by arsenalpow (Post 2209410)

robble robble BDA.

Originally Posted by Raev (Post 2209475)

Serious question Chest, now that the rotation is far behind us. What did you guys really find so objectionable about The A-Team's soft-penalty proposal? Or did you hit adiabatic and stop reading?

Originally Posted by Colgate (Post 2208893)

this is exactly how we operate on red

Originally Posted by arsenalpow (Post 2209483)

I can't even remember what the major points of it were, care to remind me?

Originally Posted by Raev (Post 2209492)

basically whenever guilds needed help/were late they would move down a rotation spot (or more than one depending on the offense).

So for example if the rotation list was A-Team, BDA, Taken, Divinity, AG and A-Team needed help to kill Gorenaire at 5AM, BDA would get the next kill, and then after that the rotation would be Taken, Divinity, AG, BDA, A-Team. Briscoe put together some examples that showed pretty well that guilds that took care of business would move through the rotation much faster than guilds that did not.

Originally Posted by Raev

or more than one depending on the offense