Just to clear something up here, there's a difference between outdoor zones for spell purposes and outdoor zones for PNP purposes.

Just because a dungeon allows certain spells like SoW to be cast doesn't mean it's an outdoor zone for PNP purposes. Karnors is considered a dungeon for the latter.

Gotcha. Was never really sure how these places are considered since they are technically outdoor but still have "camps"

Yeah reason I mention it is because sometimes you will get the dickheads who say "well this is an outdoor zone" in something that's blatantly a dungeon just to try and argue for why they can do the jerk things they are doing haha

https://wiki.project1999.com/Camp_Rules has a link to a forum post with the outdoor vs. dungeon breakdown (not to mention lots of other camp rule minutiae).

Bards will swarm CoM, and say

"It's an outdoor zone you can only camp one mob."

That rule only applies to TRUE outdoor zones with 6:40 spawns. City of Mist is a dungeon, it just so happens to be outdoors.

I stopped playing p99 because on Green there are a rotating doofus squad of bards that kite nearly the entire back half of the zone (arena, moat, 2nd, 3rd floor) while others are in zone. It causes trains, it causes the groups to run out of mobs to kill - and the GMs dont ever do shit about it.

Countless times, I've seen in /ooc groups complaining about bard swarming. I always tell the players to petition - who knows if they do... But I don't ever see the bards leaving the zone..

How do you kill that which has no life?

Sadly some of the bards in COM can be an absolute nuisance, do not warn the zone when they are starting a swarm / take from area's groups are actively sourcing from.

Some though are the diamond in the rough and will warn when starting a swarm as well as when mobs are returning.

I highly suggest making a /w function binding it to a movement key and watching for these bards. It saved me countless times in my hardcore / permadeath runs in COM and other area's.

I will say I do hope that something is done about bards who intentionally disrupt active groups but I do understand the ones that go in the early morning and want to get that massive xp / warn others.

I do not think it matters if the bard is nice or not. It's just plain stupid to swarm in CoM. There are numbers of other zones to do it. Just make it a limit of 4 mobs like all other AoE. That solves the problem real fast

You'd think so, but many times I've seen bards gathering 60-70+ mobs in CoM, despite their songs only being able to hit 25.

While other groups are in zone. They just run around and collect literally every mob they can, despite it being 2-3x the max mob count for songs.