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Troxx 11-20-2024 08:56 PM

AFAIK each class has a hard and soft cap on AC. The hard cap is quite low and any ac worn beyond that is subject to diminished returns. The hard cap is different for different classes and the returns on ac beyond that hard cap (diminished returns) are different for each class. Warriors get the most ac returns on ac over the softcap for example.

Unless p99 is wildly different from live EQ (past specifically), secondary items specifically coded as a shield counts 1:1 for ac beyond the hard cap.

So yeah, shield ac is a lot more potent than all other sources for AC.

Ripqozko 11-21-2024 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Troxx (Post 3708342)
We use paladins to tank things that still need a chain (albeit a slowerish one) … until the mobs is slowed. Big baddies and flurry drakes? Go warrior. They will survive better even after defensive falls.

We use knights to tank half of tov, even my alt has tanked vindi.

Rygar 11-21-2024 02:12 AM

Does shield of the dawn have the bladestopper graphic? If so, then this. FashionQuest > All. Other 2 shields look like garbage lo-res shit

Snaggles 11-21-2024 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rygar (Post 3708449)
Does shield of the dawn have the bladestopper graphic? If so, then this. FashionQuest > All. Other 2 shields look like garbage lo-res shit

Yep! SpikeQuest all the way.

Duik 11-22-2024 12:56 AM

Does AC on a secondary weapon count as "shield" AC?

DeathsSilkyMist 11-22-2024 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Duik (Post 3708605)
Does AC on a secondary weapon count as "shield" AC?

No. The item must be tagged as a shield. A general rule of thumb is if you can bash with it, it's probably a shield. Something like Orb of the Infinite Void isn't a shield. I can't remember if you can bash with Orb the Infinite Void or not.

Troxx 11-22-2024 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist (Post 3708606)
No. The item must be tagged as a shield. A general rule of thumb is if you can bash with it, it's probably a shield. Something like Orb of the Infinite Void isn't a shield. I can't remember if you can bash with Orb the Infinite Void or not.

This is true. Whether you can bash is a very good indicator of whether or not the item provides ac coded as 'shield ac'. I do not know if this applies to paladin epic. SK/PAL epic weapons allow the wielder to bash while swinging them.

I suspect the paladin epic is not coded as a shield but rather as something uniquely different - but I have to admit that I do not know.

I don't think the SK epic has ac on it though? I dunno. I'd have to wiki google it.

DeathsSilkyMist 11-22-2024 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Troxx (Post 3708642)
This is true. Whether you can bash is a very good indicator of whether or not the item provides ac coded as 'shield ac'. I do not know if this applies to paladin epic. SK/PAL epic weapons allow the wielder to bash while swinging them.

I suspect the paladin epic is not coded as a shield but rather as something uniquely different - but I have to admit that I do not know.

I don't think the SK epic has ac on it though? I dunno. I'd have to wiki google it.

Yeah Paladin and SK Epics are an exception to the rule. You are correct SK Epic does not have AC.

Sizar 11-22-2024 02:28 PM

Troxx and DSM are agreeing too much in this thread, it's unnatural.

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Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist (Post 3708280)
Agreed. Any single HP item will not make or break a fight. When flurries are quadding for 700, you'll die with or without the 25 HP. I wouldn't use Life Guard simply for the 25 HP either.

Paladin's and SK's don't tank flurries, they may bump when the 1st Warrior dies, that's bout it

DeathsSilkyMist 11-22-2024 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sizar (Post 3708689)
Troxx and DSM are agreeing too much in this thread, it's unnatural.

Lol it is uncanny.

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Originally Posted by Sizar (Post 3708689)
Paladin's and SK's don't tank flurries, they may bump when the 1st Warrior dies, that's bout it

I was providing a damage example, it was the first one that popped into my head. 25 HP generally doesn't do anything against raid targets due to how hard they hit for.


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