Originally Posted by Systolic (Post 1993716)

I don't think TMO realizes how much Empire actually DOES follow the rules. Its assholes from Azrael and people like Redd who grief and train other players that cause the most problems. But TMO is bad and losing so they are quick to blame Empire because they have no idea who else to target.

Originally Posted by knix (Post 1993519)

I am done with Red. LNS policy is chronically broke by Empire's minions.
Guild culture is set by the leaders, and by the guild leaders/officers not setting the culture right for their guild AND not being punished for it, ie guild suspended for numerous infractions. But, what incentive is there currently to have empire self discipline or set the culture for its members? the answer is none.

There have been a few people in empire that are cool, and understand that pvp is a challenge, not just killing someone over and over at their bind or before they have rez effect gone or DA/DB refreshed.

I couldn't the the LNS part of the PNP to work for me either way, first trying only calling once in ooc, then shouting in the zone i was in.
*Well, then I was killed naked by an empire who said they just zoned in and didn't see the shout or the ooc and they cannot be held accountable for that.

*Also was killed when zoning into the zone where my body was from the first YT, and was engaged before i had fully loaded into the zone, and empire told me, you can't shout lns, after you are engaged.

*also killed by empire while sitting next to my body spamming ooc and shout lns, less than 15 min from YT.

*also killed by some empire who thought i had been on LNS too long, my body was deep in kael, it wasnt an easy CR.

** also engaged by someone who wanted me to run accross EW before i could even get my hit points up or DA/DB refreshed. they refreshed and i left where i was sitting being harassed by empire, and he followed me half up the kael ramp and engaged me so i had to burn my da/db for him to stop attacking, then left me, without my da/db, 1/2 hit points no buffs, to run across EW.

One time, it worked as it should, i was on LNS, (from a valid pvp kill not complaining about valid pvp death) and was trained by an empire SK, who eventually got my body dragged to zone in.

but, 1 out of 6, in which all the other times were petition-able. I didn't come to red to play petition quest. I was leaving blue to get away from petitionquest. I can't be part of the change to the server, because frankly I have a life and I am not going to waste it dealing with you nerds here.


I wanted everquest with honorable pvp. There is no honor standard in PVP on Red.
I will miss my red guildmates.

Originally Posted by Modus (Post 1993708)

Not trying to be a nuthugger... but...

Another issue with having an open-invite, 200+ person guild is that you can't control the actions of every single person, every single day of the week. Some members just don't care, know the GM staff likely won't punish them, and revel in the thrill of an easy kill - like a rottweiler chasing a lame rabbit.

I've witnessed Empire leadership attempt to keep things classy/mature/honorable innumerous times, but herding cats is an uphill battle.

The solution is not to have armed guards at every street intersection ready to hose down perpetrators with fully automatic bans. The solution is to repeal, rework, and re-release a functioning and logical LNS system.

A simple /corpsesummon command that summons your corpse to your bind spot (MUST be a city zone) and disables you from doing PVP damage or casting PVP heals/buffs (self only) for one hour would alleviate the problem entirely, and would do wonders toward the health of the server.

Originally Posted by Lasher (Post 1993720)

I saw Jinger call LNS twice while fully geared....

Originally Posted by XiakenjaTZ (Post 1993685)

I think I killed him first. I have proof that I just logged in and nuked before he said LNS.

Got like 10 tells about how he was going to get me banned. He is playing BanQuest not EQ.



I am not toxic, OP is a a winey bitch.

Originally Posted by Systolic (Post 1993711)

Its funny that TMO defends itself despite the fact that after they call force lns in EK they have people in the zone sitting on the bridge for well over 30 minutes.

Originally Posted by knix (Post 1993519)

I am done with Red. LNS policy is chronically broke by Empire's minions.
Guild culture is set by the leaders, and by the guild leaders/officers not setting the culture right for their guild AND not being punished for it, ie guild suspended for numerous infractions. But, what incentive is there currently to have empire self discipline or set the culture for its members? the answer is none.

There have been a few people in empire that are cool, and understand that pvp is a challenge, not just killing someone over and over at their bind or before they have rez effect gone or DA/DB refreshed.

I couldn't the the LNS part of the PNP to work for me either way, first trying only calling once in ooc, then shouting in the zone i was in.
*Well, then I was killed naked by an empire who said they just zoned in and didn't see the shout or the ooc and they cannot be held accountable for that.

*Also was killed when zoning into the zone where my body was from the first YT, and was engaged before i had fully loaded into the zone, and empire told me, you can't shout lns, after you are engaged.

*also killed by empire while sitting next to my body spamming ooc and shout lns, less than 15 min from YT.

*also killed by some empire who thought i had been on LNS too long, my body was deep in kael, it wasnt an easy CR.

** also engaged by someone who wanted me to run accross EW before i could even get my hit points up or DA/DB refreshed. they refreshed and i left where i was sitting being harassed by empire, and he followed me half up the kael ramp and engaged me so i had to burn my da/db for him to stop attacking, then left me, without my da/db, 1/2 hit points no buffs, to run across EW.

One time, it worked as it should, i was on LNS, (from a valid pvp kill not complaining about valid pvp death) and was trained by an empire SK, who eventually got my body dragged to zone in.

but, 1 out of 6, in which all the other times were petition-able. I didn't come to red to play petition quest. I was leaving blue to get away from petitionquest. I can't be part of the change to the server, because frankly I have a life and I am not going to waste it dealing with you nerds here.


I wanted everquest with honorable pvp. There is no honor standard in PVP on Red.
I will miss my red guildmates.