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TheRusty 11-20-2019 06:10 PM

It's almost as if twenty years of people working to min-max playing this game has generated levels of efficiency and effectiveness that nobody would have guessed back in 1999.

You know.

Back when people were stacking Wisdom on Warriors to get that magic resist up, 'cause "that's how it works in D&D"

cd288 11-20-2019 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheRusty (Post 3031268)
It's almost as if twenty years of people working to min-max playing this game has generated levels of efficiency and effectiveness that nobody would have guessed back in 1999.

You know.

Back when people were stacking Wisdom on Warriors to get that magic resist up, 'cause "that's how it works in D&D"

lmao

Bazia 11-20-2019 06:14 PM

nobody did that you can see your own resist

bum3 11-20-2019 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by loramin (Post 3031227)
Again, it's like saying Bards were AoEing 50+ mobs in OT and not letting anyone else XP on live ... or saying that they would have, if they weren't so stupid back then. They weren't stupid, and they weren't monopolizing OT: whatever classic evidence everyone may have presented to say "Bards can totally AoE 50+ mobs", a critical detail was missing, because it absolutely was not classic.

Hahha yeah.. guides stopped that crap fast on Tunare. Anytime it unfairly impeded exp of groups or ran a mob over someone and they died. It was stopped. My father-in-law was warned twice, banned for a week, and was allowed to kite no more than 5 mobs at a time in OT.

Vizax_Xaziv 11-20-2019 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by loramin (Post 3031227)
How can you possibly say that with a straight face? Enchanters weren't even a DPS class on live. They are the best DPS class here.

Under anyone's definition of "reflecting what the class was on live", it's painfully obvious P99 doesn't reflect it ... to anyone who actually played on live back then at least.

Again, it's like saying Bards were AoEing 50+ mobs in OT and not letting anyone else XP on live ... or saying that they would have, if they weren't so stupid back then. They weren't stupid, and they weren't monopolizing OT: whatever classic evidence everyone may have presented to say "Bards can totally AoE 50+ mobs", a critical detail was missing, because it absolutely was not classic.

And Bards on P99 DID get nerfed to a 25-mob maximum!

Meanwhile, Enchanters Charm has remained untouched!

Wurl 11-20-2019 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirgon (Post 3031190)
Dozens huh :mad:

Get to work on evidence (got mine) not feels

Do your research, get some evidence, THEN post mate

loramin 11-20-2019 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cd288 (Post 3031237)
They were able to be, people just weren't familiar enough with the class to use them as such whether due to simple worry about dealing with Charm breaks and/or not realizing truly how good Charm DPS was. Knowledge took longer to spread back then, you didn't have the uber data mining and parsing that goes on today where every single player in the game would know within like a weak how good Charm DPS was.

Let's put this in context shall we? I played a Shaman. We had the Shaman's Crucible forum, where we discussed things like "cann-dancing". If you're not familiar with the term, it means meditating, waiting for the game to synchronize over the network with the server, then standing, casting, and sitting back down again before another synchronization point.

Now, you're going to try and tell me that Enchanter players, who had their own forum to discuss strategies and tactics, and who were every bit as smart as Shaman ... couldn't figure out that it was a good thing to cast one of their spells?

Again, I completely understand that players today have far greater knowledge today than players back then. But you're stretching the "they were just dumb back then" argument entirely too far: it can't possibly explains the discrepancy.

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Originally Posted by cd288 (Post 3031237)
The ability was there. Saying Enchanters need to be nerfed simply because people didn't use the ability as frequently or as optimally as they have learned to do is just such a stupid argument.

That's not my argument. My argument was that if there was a viable, not overly complex (and also awesome) way for players to solo well and do more damage than any other player in the game ... they wouldn't have just failed to notice that, even though it was 1999.

azeth 11-20-2019 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bazia (Post 3031272)
nobody did that you can see your own resist

People absolutely did that. Also stacking AGI to increase the chance for an enemy to miss

azeth 11-20-2019 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by loramin (Post 3031348)
Again, I completely understand that players today have far greater knowledge today than players back then. But you're stretching the "they were just dumb back then" argument entirely too far: it can't possibly explains the discrepancy.

This is ignorant. The demographic of EverQuest players in 1999 was majority likely under 20 years old, additionally exposed to their first jaunt into a D&D based MMO. There is absolutely no comparison to p99s player base.

I'd wager 99/100 EQ players were objectively total fucking morons in terms of game mechanics

loramin 11-20-2019 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by azeth (Post 3031368)
This is ignorant. The demographic of EverQuest players in 1999 was majority likely under 20 years old, additionally exposed to their first jaunt into a D&D based MMO. There is absolutely no comparison to p99s player base.

I'd wager 99/100 EQ players were objectively total fucking morons in terms of game mechanics

Did you just completely not read my entire point about all of us Shaman knowing how to Cann-dance back then?


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