Four shamans

I was in the Arena with my guild one time, it was me and a 58 monk in a group by ourselves since we had an uneven number of people. We were the xp group for the raid. My 60 Mage water pet backstabing and my free clicky 333 dmg staff, mixing in my 59th level 1k nukes between meds/clicky plus the monk damage. My 60 Mage could sustain 4k-5k+ a min infinitely when you could med while clickies would cast.

Thanks for the data! That is 66-83 DPS roughly speaking. My 60 Shaman with Epic can DPS in that range too when focusing on root rotting and using a pet. Those Shaman numbers are PvE specific, since this thread is about PvE. I don't play on Red or use Arenas, so I can't say if the PvP aspect of your data has a discrepacy with PvE.

Context sounded like kael arena. Is that right NPC?

He’s back!

He’s obviously trolling, it’s clearly kael arena and no shaman is root rotting for 60-80 sustained dps in a group environment lol, including in kael.

DSM clearly showed proof by saying he does sustain a dps of 60-80. You're wrong.

lmao wild

I'm kind of curious if there's any group situation where a 60 shaman adds more DPS to a ench-ench-cleric trio than a mage. I think maybe, but am highly skeptical of it being generally true.

I think shaman best case would be blam stick hobbits or plate house. Both let you keep two active enemies most of the time, with enough HP to allow for Shaman DoTs to tick for duration. 2x Avatar on enchanter pets is hard to differentiate since it will attribute to the enchanters but is proabably a noticeable boost, and the endurance nature of both camps allows for the shaman to leverage their superior mana regen, free epic DoT and higher DPM spells to help close the gap between their pets. Adding DPS to both camps also actually does something useful, which is not always true when you have 2 enchanter pets at a location since you can't be mob limited in either place.

Clearly, we need to set up a race at one of those camps with DSM vs. a Mage and see who can clear more cycles over a long enough time period to smooth out variance. If you can't outdps a mage at blam stick hobbits, you're not going to outdps a mage anywhere.