I've saved Enchanters from Charm breaks as a Shaman too.

You need to explain why the hp buffs, heals, and stuns are offsetting what a Shaman is doing.

Simply saying Clerics have the best heals does not actually mean your group will work worse without them when compared to a Shaman. Shamans are the best at Stamina buffs, but this by itself is not a point for Shamans.

You "need" to provide a(ny) example of a camp that "needs" a Shaman to substantiate your claim that you can name multiple camps that "need" a Shaman:

You also "need" to provide evidence that supports your tens/dozens/hundreds/thousands of posts in this thread in which you claimed that Shaman can/does improve group's a DPS (more than a non-epic Mage can/does) by root rotting multiple mobs parallel to the group.


I'm not sure if you've forgotten about these things that you claimed - if so, feel free to refresh your memory at any time by re-reading as the post history is clear and visible to all.
You're simply not going to get away with making baseless, unsubstantiated claims. It's really not a good look for you.

Charmed mobs already have a bazillion HP

It's about heal efficiency

Cleric > Shaman

End of discussion

Accept your defeat. It's self evident to everyone else.

Shamans can Torpor tank, so the pet doesn't have to tank. This means you don't need to CH the tanking pet. What else do you have?

lol

Yea but it's better to just CH the pet and not bother with a shaman

What else do you have?

Shaman's can't Torpor when they don't have Torpor, like during Levels 1-59- which is the majority of the game, by far - and for players who are not intending to continue to play after 60 and gear toons with level 60 spells & gear, they may never even get Torpor.

The OP did not specify that the hypothetical best all 4 person cast/priest group would continue playing after level 60, and you do not get to add specific stipulations to support your preferred class such as requiring we only consider Level 60 (where a Shaman can have Torpor).

Soooooo, I ask:
Friendly reminder:

You "need" to provide an(y) example of a camp that "needs" a Shaman to substantiate your claim that you can name multiple camps that "need" a Shaman:

You also "need" to provide evidence that supports your tens/dozens/hundreds/thousands of posts in this thread in which you claimed that Shaman can/does improve group's a DPS (more than a non-epic Mage can/does) by root rotting multiple mobs parallel to the group.


I'm not sure if you've forgotten about these things that you claimed - if so, feel free to refresh your memory at any time by re-reading as the post history is clear and visible to all.
You're simply not going to get away with making baseless, unsubstantiated claims. It's really not a good look for you.

You need to prove that claim. Simply claiming so doesn't make it true.

Apply that to your own claims.

You "need" to provide an(y) example of a camp that "needs" a Shaman to substantiate your claim that you can name multiple camps that "need" a Shaman:

You also "need" to provide evidence that supports your tens/dozens/hundreds/thousands of posts in this thread in which you claimed that Shaman can/does improve group's a DPS (more than a non-epic Mage can/does) by root rotting multiple mobs parallel to the group.


I'm not sure if you've forgotten about these things that you claimed - if so, feel free to refresh your memory at any time by re-reading as the post history is clear and visible to all.
You're simply not going to get away with making baseless, unsubstantiated claims. It's really not a good look for you.

We all play the game. It's self evident.

You're basically saying a ranger can tank too cuz you play a ranger

Sure, kinda I guess, but there are other classes that do it much better and are more preferred

2 enchanters and a cleric grouped have never said "Guys we really NEED a shaman right now"

Claiming I have Shaman bias is silly. I could say you have Cleric bias, and we would be at an impasse.

Shaman/Enchanter/Monk is a common and strong combo. They don't have a Cleric. Why does this combo work well?