It does happen at the ring roll, A LOT. It's being heavily farmed by people that already have ring 10s, they then sell ring 9 MQs or MQ it to alts and guildies. There are people that have whole crews rolling in order to do so.

See earlier post, it is never stated in ooc.

I was there for this instance of the scout roll yesterday morning, and as fate would have it, it was my first time being there. To me, it struck me as a little bit of a surprise that Aikons won the roll, as I highly doubted he needed it himself, but my very next thought was "oh, I guess that's how it works then, and it's one of those things that anyone can roll on, and sell/give away to their person of choosing". I didn't know a whole lot about the roll agreement personally, so I just thought that's how it was. Reading through this thread, however, it seems the waters are still a little bit murky on what the terms of the agreement really are.

It all comes down to the agreement being one way or the other, no room for interpretation. Either anyone/everyone can roll, or you roll for yourself only, with your own tools, your own loot. Both ways are ways that can work, and are justifiably "fair". I really am 100% OK with it either way. It just needs to be set in stone so that nobody can say "but I thought that it wasn't like that! That's not fair!!"

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Do you think that the person who wins rolls needs to at least turn in tools?

I think it should be either you need tools and need to loot for yourself, or you don't need anything and anyone can roll.

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Roll is for turn in, not rolling to designate loot, hence when you roll you turn in tools, then mob belongs to you. Not complicated in the least.

I have all the scout items I want, but I'd love to roll for my guildmates to score them those sweet benevolence items. They've all told me that you're only allowed to roll for yourself, though. Was Aikons being sketchy, or is this actually allowed?

I get the feeling we're in the territory where it isn't against the rules, but is generally frowned upon. Except there are clearly some players that don't care.

Thats funny aikons, I came a few times to ring roll to help my buddy try to win. I didnt need it of course but then people told me I couldnt roll unless i was ready for it. Didnt know shady stuff was going on. I guess you cant trust peeps nowadays. I did see something on forums about doing some sort of variance like lodi, not sure the logistics, but it seems to be better than just rolling or giving loot rights away. If u want that item so bad, camp it like most rest of us heh. just my two cents

And usually people will /say 10-15 mins before scout an agreement of what to come. You dont have to agree with the terms, but most people just comply with what was said and it seems to work. other times it does not. Depends on the players. Im still going to try scout again from time to time, but any change that is done I will follow thru with :) Reputation is far more worth to me than pixels