Originally Posted by Grakken (Post 3032982)

This is such a moot point for EE. This distinction is only important for Ass\Sup.

Originally Posted by Grakken (Post 3033069)

Why can't a cleric solo? As a Shaman my strat = Spam my nuke. Cleric has a strong nuke. Why people think a cleric's "contribution" to killing EE means that can only heal is boggling.

Originally Posted by Cuktus (Post 3033105)

I still feel that forcing players to engage is not a reasonably demand. HTing SKs is a great example, as mentioned earilier. Its not the lvl 35 ones you need to worry about. A pair of lvl 50 SKs, guilded with Mr. /list 3 can invis down and make a fairly good attempt at not just KSing, but killing the mob before anyone has a chance to agro. Yes, spamming "target nearest" and auto attack is a thing, no doubt, I don't think it would be required. And even then, a small distraction at the wrong time? Ya done, go home, they got ya.
The other issue the folks are interested in is that you should be able to solo the mob if you /list for it. I disagree. Not all classes can solo well. Just because a warrior can't use mana stone does not mean they shouldn't be allowed to /list for it. While I do agree with folks saying everyone should help out, if the warrior fears for his life if he is the first to engage and everyone else is just gonna stand by and watch him die so they can move up the line, well, I wouldn't engage first either. Saying solo it or go home is pretty crazy to me. Honestly, can a crap geared warrior even solo EE at 50?

Originally Posted by stewe (Post 3033109)

I've said it before and ill say it again, THE LIST ISNT GETTING CHANGED, they put it in for less work not more coding work, you dont like it dont go to those camps, just like you cry that you arent obligated to kill the mob for them, they arent obligated to help you kill the mob either, once i get a few more lvls i plan on chilling in a corner on the list and watch shows etc and if someone sends me tells bitching they get put on permanent ignore, simple solution to crybabies.

Originally Posted by Erati (Post 3033110)

Have you personally experienced this situation ?

It's pretty awful. Requiring at least the #1 position player to take some responsibility towards their turn is the minimum that should be expected is my only point. People outright refusing at #1 is a joke and needs to be adjusted in the ruleset.

Originally Posted by cd288 (Post 3033107)

Not really. Because an EXP group or soloer could show up and say they just want a spot to XP and kill the mobs but the person on the list still gets the loot. Meaning it supports the argument that people on the list are under no obligation to help kill the mob because the list isn’t part of the actual camp unless the people on the list are grouping or soloing the mobs for EXP while waiting

Originally Posted by Legidias (Post 3033056)

As I said previously, it's not as simple as just saying 'engage the mob'.

Solo level is a moot point as you're not gonna solo these as a cleric for example.

Originally Posted by mcoy (Post 3033108)

At 35 as a cleric that'd be a rough solo experience. Would likely need at least 44 so they'd have reckoning and the mana to handle killing a shaman mob and then root/camping the pet off let alone killing it.

-Mcoy