Project 1999 - Fake EC tunnel prices

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Originally Posted by cd288 (Post 3090362)

Is there a way to at least log if someone accessed that page in an editing capacity or is that just as much work as having a log of specific deletions? Seems like if there's no ability to oversee changes people are making, then the edit ability should be removed.

Seems unfair to allow people to affect the market by arbitrarily removing entries that are clearly (or arguably) not egregious price inflation attempts. For example, I would think things should only be removed if you look at the log and see an individual seller clearly spamming egregious prices to try and block out other entries in the log. In that case that person is clearly trying to manipulate things so that the log doesn't show any data to the contrary.

Removing entries because some different sellers want to sell something for a couple hundred pp more and one person thinks that's too high a price should not be happening because it's just as much market manipulation as someone trying to artificially inflate prices on the log.

Again, this is 100% a fan-made thing. Until Ravhin (someone who doesn't even play here) took a far amount of his time to add this feature for all of us, there was literally no way whatsoever to correct even those most egregious wiki auction prices.

To ask him to spend even more time to solve a "who watches the watchmen" problem that doesn't even exist (by logging every price correction), feels ... unrealistic.

Again, I'm quite possibly the only active wiki admin. Zosymandias made a single edit to his own user talk page in November of last year and hasn't done anything since, Ezri hasn't edited since July of last year. As I said Ravhin doesn't even play, and so on.

It is possible that a wiki admin (not easy to become) has "gone to the dark side", and is abusing their powers to manipulate P99 markets ... but I'd be surprised to even hear that any other admin still plays, let alone gives two figs about the market. And I find it truly hard to believe that someone who put so much time and effort into improving the wiki that they got made into an admin, would then exploit that and hurt the wiki with bad information that only benefits them.

I truly don't think we have a problem here ... but again, in the unlikely event that we do, I'd be happy to discuss the details privately (in the super-unlikely event that we have a rogue wiki admin, we wouldn't want to discuss the "investigation" of them publicly).

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Originally Posted by cd288 (Post 3090135)

Sorry to revive a dead thread, but wanted to circle back on the whole discussion about people monitoring the wiki for fake prices and editing them out. A couple log entries seem to have disappeared on certain items that didn't seem to be fake at all. For example, just a day or two ago there were multiple different entries on Treant staff of like 800, 850, and 1000 pp (I can't recall if they were all from different sellers or not). Do those get edited out by someone? If so, why? Doesn't seem to be fake price gouging on its face

Could it be that you're misremembering? And/or, do you have any logs of this? I ask because my tracker has a couple 800s and 900s recently-ish* but no 1000's since Feb 8, and no 850's at all. (I also checked the raw log files.)

It could be that I missed them, but I haven't had any downtime in quite awhile, so if they were in EC and formatted sanely, I would have them.

Another possibility is that someone else uploaded auction logs, although I am providing the bulk of the wiki content.

* 2020-02-22 Somin 800
* 2020-02-22 Somin 800
* 2020-02-15 Faew 900
* 2020-02-14 Burningtree 800
* 2020-02-14 Slott 800
* 2020-02-08 Pedilee 1000
* 2020-02-04 Honko 800

https://unixgeek.com/prices-P1999Green-TreantStaff.html

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Originally Posted by Gatorsmash (Post 3090161)

Had to sit and watch something IRL for most of the day Sat so had EC up on a monitor. I saw a few items magically get pushed up by multiple vendors a few hundred plat throughout the day. People are clearly boxing EC and artificially pushing up prices

Edit- only reason I noticed was because a few items went up 300+ over the course of like 2 hours and it was the only item they were selling

Would love to see some logs of this.

Hrm i dunno. Sometimes when i'm selling I have multiple of an item I charge a little bit more for each one I sell.

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Originally Posted by axisofebola (Post 3090700)

Hrm i dunno. Sometimes when i'm selling I have multiple of an item I charge a little bit more for each one I sell.

If I'm not concerned about clearing inventory space my selling strategy is to increase the price if the item doesn't sell right away. This might seem counter-intuitive but what happens is then I stop dealing with value seeking hagglers and then some time later a rich guy pops in who is twinking his alt and they'll just buy in bulk as long as the price is not totally outrageous. My bank account says this works.

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Originally Posted by BlackBellamy (Post 3090715)

An old psychological trick for selling high value items in real life is to price them VERY SPECIFICALLY. Want $6000 for your car? Price it at $6433.11, for example. Many people see the absurdly specific price and figure it's set to that for a reason that is unlikely to be moveable. Almost no one will ask, and few will haggle. It's an unconscious thing that most people won't even recognize.