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Originally Posted by Lowlife (Post 765093)

And fyi, the ATF classifies semi automatic AK/AR pattern rifles as Assault Rifles, even if semi-auto, anything that is select fire is considered a Machine gun.

Having filled out a ton of class III paperwork for both machine gun, suppressor, and short barrel rifles, their distinction, political distinction, and media distinction.. not wikipedia (And when did that become a reliable source for anything?) is the only relevant definition.

wikipedia is only one source I used, fall back on that as "omg it's wiki anyone can edit" if you want, there are 2 other sources that state the exact same thing.

Yea usually people contribute to debates with experiences outside of what they googled 10 minutes ago.

I had the only fully auto lower in my unit. And it was on a MK12 DMR.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2zzuuc0.png

So you're telling me, no one had an M16 or an Assault Rifle?

Also all the AR-15 I've seen in this thing I call "real-life" are more like M4s than M16s but then again I don't play on words so I chose not to mention that until now.

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Originally Posted by Lowlife (Post 765103)

I had the only fully auto lower in my unit. And it was on a MK12 DMR.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2zzuuc0.png

So you're telling me, no one had an M16 or an Assault Rifle?

you're telling me that all of your buddies were using weapons without select-fire capabilities, then yes, by definition, they were using semi-automatic rifles without select-fire capabilities and thus weren't using an Assault rifle.

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Originally Posted by Autotune (Post 765082)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assault+rifle

assault rifle
noun
1.
a military rifle capable of both automatic and semiautomatic fire, utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge.
2.
a nonmilitary weapon modeled on the military assault rifle, usually modified to allow only semiautomatic fire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
An assault rifle is a select-fire (either fully automatic or burst capable) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine. It is not to be confused with assault weapons.[1] Assault rifles are the standard service rifles in most modern armies. Assault rifles are categorized in between light machine guns, which are intended more for sustained automatic fire in a light support role, and submachine guns, which fire a pistol cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assault+rifle

Military firearm that is chambered for ammunition of reduced size or propellant charge and has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic and fully automatic fire. Light and portable, yet able to deliver a high volume of fire with reasonable accuracy at modern combat ranges of 1,000–1,600 ft (300–500 m), assault rifles have become the standard infantry weapon of modern armies. Their ease of handling makes them ideal for mobile assault troops crowded into personnel carriers or helicopters, as well as for guerrilla fighters engaged in jungle or urban warfare. Widely used assault rifles are the U.S. M16, the Soviet Kalashnikov (the AK-47 and modernized versions), the Belgian FAL and FNC, and the German G3.

Would you like to know more, because your stupids are showing.

M16s and M4s in the Army aren't capable of automatic fire without modification.

I guess the M4 we used in Iraq and shit aren't assault rifles?

Lets go with, like I said above, the ATF, and not wikipedia.

http://www.atf.treas.gov/pub/fire-ex...b/complete.htm

Semiautomatic assault weapon.

(a) Any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as:

(1) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models),
(2) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil,
(3) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70),
(4) Colt AR-15,
(5) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC,
(6) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12,
(7) Steyr AUG,
(8) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22, and
(9) Revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;

(B) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of --

(1) A folding or telescoping stock,
(2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon,
(3) A bayonet mount,
(4) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor, and
(5) A grenade launcher;

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Originally Posted by SamwiseRed (Post 765104)

Also all the AR-15 I've seen in this thing I call "real-life" are more like M4s than M16s but then again I don't play on words so I chose not to mention that until now.

I'm sure you have an issue recognizing the different variations. Considering you used the generalized term AR-15 (which can be a magnitude of different weapons), I used the generalized term of M-16 (which is the original military variation of the AR-15).

Huh, who would have thought?

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Originally Posted by Littlegyno 9.0 (Post 765108)

M16s and M4s in the Army aren't capable of automatic fire without modification.

I guess the M4 we used in Iraq and shit aren't assault rifles?

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Autotune (Post 765110)

You should stick to making sandwiches, men are talking.