The fact being that only 10% of the population actually cares about pvp at all..the rest are blues who only came here to easy-mode raid pixels. They are always pixel whore's who pretend to care about pvp but don't engage in it until they are 60 and epic'd.

These are always the players who make up your griefers. We have catered to these players from day 1 under this misguided ideal that carebearing the server will bring more pop from the blue community.

It's never worked, it's actually had more of detrimental effect on pop as it turns off this servers true demographic of players...reds from live!

Yes put it back to 8 level range where garbage players such as tune can wreck anyone who dings 52. It'll also go great for people like knights templar who destroy any new player in cloth that they can find.

Keep it 4 range.

You don't pvp so why do you believe you should have some say in the matter when your one of the blues I'm talking about. Whether you hit 60 or stay 52 you'll avoid pvp all together. LOL you can talk about Tune, Tune would stop what he was doing and go after me with full groups everytime I was online. Failed to kill me everytime until he finally went so far as to have Eldermoran edit the boards to show a kill on me, he never got lmfao. If I could survive Tune at 52 when it was his number 1 goal to kill me, then ya'll need to dry your eyes.

Your part of the problem here not the solution! There's a whole big blue server for you to /d on and cosplay yourself into a badass.

Didn't read whole thread. Agree with original post.

Box is way way better now with group exp thing, although I still think hotzones offer better tradeoffs (no penalty on solo players, more pvp, more like live was).

The +/- 4 levels thing is a bummer. It is pretty rare to find anyone you can actually attack.

This barely flew on RZ which had 800+ players concurrent. Don't think it'd be a stretch to say that most players preferred the ranges on the other three pvp servers (VZ, TZ, SZ). I'd rather get my ass kicked by someone 8 levels higher than me than not get any pvp action till 60.

Someone mentioned that the high level dungeon zones used to have no pvp level cap and that sounded like a great feature to me. Did it not work out for some reason?

Just increase exp rate and everyone can be in the same pvp range a lot sooner and help contest raid bosses.

I miss 8 lvl range but it was a little griefy for non hardcores.

Servers healthier with 4.

I think I agree that 4 is too small, maybe with the PNP it won't be as bad and without serious hardcore losers like Tune that don't play anymore but there's probably a bunch more than I am unaware of.

Plus with EXP bonus it's not as bad to level so the inconvenience of PVP becomes less of an inconvenience when it isn't fucking pulling teeth to progress towards the good shit.

+ add boxing, then no one would give a fuck about the level range and would embrace PVP as the PVE grind would essentially be trivial and a by product of the server WHICH IS HOW IT SHOULD BE, and people could port/res/pvp all day long.

If they had just made it 5 levels instead of four like I pleaded with them to do, it wouldn't be so painfully carebear.