Originally Posted by Legidias (Post 3032963)

This is easy to say, hard to implement. What if you're a cleric? Does it require hitting a mob? Getting on aggro table? Does a slow count? Does calming / mezzing adds count? Requires 24/7 GM to watch every kill or filter through a new petition every 28 mins?

Originally Posted by Videri (Post 3032943)

I agree. Even if kill participation is not hardcoded...just having a rule will get most people to do it, due to the threat of being /petitioned.

Originally Posted by Erati (Post 3033113)

No one is talking about a code change.

They just need to add 1 sentence in the rules: "Position #1 must participate in their kills or potentially be removed from their spot"

Originally Posted by Grakken (Post 3032999)

Why? I'll never understand this entitlement. Absence of charity is not hostility. You are not entitled to my mana, my buffs or my time complete stranger. You are an A-Hole for treating people this way. Do me a favor or you're a jerk. So manipulative.

My mana, my choice.

Originally Posted by Grakken (Post 3032990)

Its extremely different. One is a random stranger. Another is a guildmate. I'd spend an entire weekend camping an item for a friend. I won't SoW a stranger.

Originally Posted by solidious77 (Post 3033179)

Narcissistic personality disorder — one of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others.

Pretty sure the issue is not other peoples entitlement; lol. ;)

Originally Posted by Man0warr (Post 3033166)

If the #1 person on the list helped you kill the PHs, what exactly would have changed? Maybe they die a couple seconds faster, which would result in an extra PH/EE over weeks of the camp. Ultimately, no extra Manastones would result.

It's in everyone's best interest to kill the PH. Your solution, even if it's just a rule change, still requires GM intervention to actually enforce - which is exactly what they don't want.

As for requiring anyone on the list to be able to solo, you may as well put the requirement as level 50 to get on the /list for EE and Ghoul/Supp. Even that is too low for some classes.

Originally Posted by nectarprime (Post 3033003)

I don't understand how this still doesn't make sense to you - by not killing the mob you are increasing the length if time it will take for you to get your item, no matter your position on the list

By helping yourself you also help people in front of you. There is no downside.

Originally Posted by solidious77 (Post 3033179)

Narcissistic personality disorder — one of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others.

Pretty sure the issue is not other peoples entitlement; lol. ;)

Originally Posted by Grakken (Post 3033209)

This definition legit applies more to the person who demands I SoW them because they asked than me not giving a SoW to a random stranger.

Originally Posted by nectarprime (Post 3033213)

Ah yes, the made up situation that no one is talking about somehow proves your "point"

Originally Posted by Grakken (Post 3033228)

It was in his quote, used to diagnose me. So he was talking about it ... .

Originally Posted by nectarprime (Post 3033231)

... yes, he quoted you, who had made up some hypothetical scenario. Try to keep up.