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milsorgen 07-08-2015 04:18 PM

Trump is an attention seeking blowhard. The narcissistic rambling speech he shat out would of been unlistenable were it not for the laughs.

Lune 07-08-2015 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by milsorgen (Post 1968361)
Trump is an attention seeking blowhard. The narcissistic rambling speech he shat out would of been unlistenable were it not for the laughs.

He's saying all the things the other Republican candidates want to say but can't because it would be political suicide. He's also temporarily redirecting the national dialogue away from issues that decimate Republicans, such as gay marriage, income inequality... and pretty much any other issue really. Immigration is one issue where I think Republicans can find a lot of support from centrists, and even people who normally lean to the left. I think a lot of people dislike how Democrats handle immigration. When you know Democrats are going to capture the Hispanic vote because of their shameless pandering to immigrants, both legal and illegal, taking this kind of hardline stance is a good way to gain the favor of frustrated whites.

I wouldn't be surprised if the RNC was paying him to run interference leading up to the campaign.

Of course, neither side really wants to do anything about illegal immigration. Cheap labor makes a lot of industries a lot of money, and our politicians are for sale. Like anything else, it's a rhetoric contest.

Millburn 07-09-2015 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lune (Post 1968550)
He's saying all the things the other Republican candidates want to say but can't because it would be political suicide. He's also temporarily redirecting the national dialogue away from issues that decimate Republicans, such as gay marriage, income inequality... and pretty much any other issue really. Immigration is one issue where I think Republicans can find a lot of support from centrists, and even people who normally lean to the left. I think a lot of people dislike how Democrats handle immigration. When you know Democrats are going to capture the Hispanic vote because of their shameless pandering to immigrants, both legal and illegal, taking this kind of hardline stance is a good way to gain the favor of frustrated whites.

I wouldn't be surprised if the RNC was paying him to run interference leading up to the campaign.

Of course, neither side really wants to do anything about illegal immigration. Cheap labor makes a lot of industries a lot of money, and our politicians are for sale. Like anything else, it's a rhetoric contest.

Pretty sure you hit the nail on the head with this one Lune

Bigtokes 07-09-2015 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lune (Post 1968550)
He's saying all the things the other Republican candidates want to say but can't because it would be political suicide. He's also temporarily redirecting the national dialogue away from issues that decimate Republicans, such as gay marriage, income inequality... and pretty much any other issue really. Immigration is one issue where I think Republicans can find a lot of support from centrists, and even people who normally lean to the left. I think a lot of people dislike how Democrats handle immigration. When you know Democrats are going to capture the Hispanic vote because of their shameless pandering to immigrants, both legal and illegal, taking this kind of hardline stance is a good way to gain the favor of frustrated whites.

I wouldn't be surprised if the RNC was paying him to run interference leading up to the campaign.

Of course, neither side really wants to do anything about illegal immigration. Cheap labor makes a lot of industries a lot of money, and our politicians are for sale. Like anything else, it's a rhetoric contest.

Yup...who will pick the tomatoes and cut the lawns. The can pay them slave wages and nobody is the wiser. Who is going to speak up? Politicians get their bribes and everyone is happy. The only way things would change is if there is some world wide disaster which renders money useless and the entire world has to rebuild from the ground up.

Tiewon Shu 07-09-2015 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by milsorgen (Post 1968361)
Trump is an attention seeking blowhard. The narcissistic rambling speech he shat out would of been unlistenable were it not for the laughs.

You know he is winning the primary polls so far by 16% yes?

Tenderizer 07-09-2015 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Systolic (Post 1965632)
Anyone who enters our country illegally is a criminal. Trump was completely right. By breaking our immigration laws, they immediately become criminals.

This. Either way you look at it laws are to be upheld and at the end of the day what this man says and other echo is the correct statement and end all for this thread.

MrSparkle001 07-09-2015 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiewon Shu (Post 1969311)
You know he is winning the primary polls so far by 16% yes?

Polls won't count for months.

Millburn 07-10-2015 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tenderizer (Post 1969348)
This. Either way you look at it laws are to be upheld and at the end of the day what this man says and other echo is the correct statement and end all for this thread.

Did Trump not also say they were rapists?

stormlord 07-10-2015 05:21 PM

OP says "Hey illegal are bad don't ruin my superiority complex."

It's sad when truth is stated some don't watn to hear it.

Fact is poverty and illegals aren't the source of crime and aren't the reason things have gone to hell in your side of the world. Study after study shows while violent/rape/robbery crime is more common in poor neighborhoods, this doesn't necessarily remain true in other countries. Furthermore, there're many types of crime, not just violent/rape/robbery. When you sum it all up, poor communities share just as much of the burden as any other. When poor illegals stream into this country and are lumped along with all of the other poor people in their community, one might have hte mistaken impression they're criminal or linked ot criminals. But the truth is the crime was already there and it's no illegal whom bring the crime. And also not all poor communities in the US have higher rates of certain crime. And sometimes the people who commit the crime in the poor neighborhoods aren't themselves poor. Just remember this there're lots of gray areas in this issue and many spin it to twist the truth.

Poor people across the world face many challenges. Don't make it harder by being a dick and hating them. Much of the people in the US are second and third and fourth generation children of poor immigrants who sailed to the US for opportunity. Only because the US is now developed and so many more rules in the books are these people now "illegal" or otherwise.

We should not become isolationist. The things we have are the product of hundreds, thousands of years of sacrifice. Whether they come here or don't everybody on the planet needs to have opportunity and access to education. The planet is shrinking by the day. What benefits said country benefits us if we're truly tolerant and supportive of a better future.

Slathar 07-10-2015 05:28 PM

trump is an idiot and America is filled with idiots. why are people surprised he has a base?


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