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radditsu 02-11-2013 05:20 PM
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49shadesofgay 02-11-2013 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus (Post 846082)
Does this mean that authority is only legitimate when it is convenient for you?

Time will tell what happened, I suppose.
Eccezan has already admitted to looting another guilds kill, after which the account was banned.

What's the spin for this one exactly? That it's alright to loot another guilds kills when you don't have FTE, because the moment is so confusing, and fuck it you did get exp afterall?

If not for MQ use (the most likely scenario here) he still deserves a ban, and TMO a raid suspension for ninja looting, which is a well-set precedent.

I just hope that the loot gets back to the proper owners and is transferred and monitored appropriately.

By the by, was this over one of the past couple Trakanons in which Zeelot stole agro from FE and killed and looted FE's mob, or is this from a different encounter/sockfest? Just curious for those of us playing along at home. :)

Frieza_Prexus 02-11-2013 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by radditsu (Post 846087)
I do not even know how to respond to this. You know why, we all know why he got "unbanned".
My understanding is that the "unban" has not yet happened.

That said, it seems that you're implying that a ban is acceptable evidence of wrong doing, yet an unban is not acceptable evidence of exoneration. Both are actions conducted by authority figures. Why would one be more persuasive than the other? It follows that if bans can be trusted, so should unbans.

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Originally Posted by Massive Marc
Do you really need an answer for this ?

I CAN'T POSSIBLY IMAGINE WHAT WOULD BE GAINED FROM USING MQ ?
Yes. I would like to hear a proper and thorough rationalization of why MQ would be used when so much is at stake. It's certainly possible, but it is a sloppiness that has generally not been seen within TMO's leadership.

Diggles 2.0 02-11-2013 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Hailto (Post 846088)
It sorta stopped being pretend after he got banned and then immediately unbanned because of the circumstances

Frieza_Prexus 02-11-2013 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 49shadesofgay (Post 846104)
Eccezan has already admitted to looting another guilds kill, after which the account was banned.

What's the spin for this one exactly? That it's alright to loot another guilds kills when you don't have FTE, because the moment is so confusing, and fuck it you did get exp afterall?

If not for MQ use (the most likely scenario here) he still deserves a ban, and TMO a raid suspension for ninja looting, which is a well-set precedent.

I just hope that the loot gets back to the proper owners and is transferred and monitored appropriately.

By the by, was this over one of the past couple Trakanons in which Zeelot stole agro from FE and killed and looted FE's mob, or is this from a different encounter/sockfest? Just curious for those of us playing along at home. :)
It is a long established practice that when a GM is not around to immediately adjudicate FTE that the loot is taken up. Is it your position that the loot should instead rot?

Diggles 2.0 02-11-2013 05:24 PM
The only version of MQ that can be feasibly used on P99 without immediately getting you banned is pretty much worthless on Blue except to know the exact time you can come back from a med break.

49shadesofgay 02-11-2013 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus (Post 846092)
I find the proffered explanation to be the most likely. However, at no point have I denied the possibility of Eccezan having cheated. I simply, based upon my experience and observation, consider the most probable scenario to be the one presented. It makes no sense for TMO's leadership to use MQ in any real way when we have such a massive infrastructure dedicated to tracking and pulling.

It's decision theory. What is to be gained when so much is at stake?
This makes you sound incredibly naive. :(
For all you know, Eccezan is platlord and is making a living off hacking and selling platinum. Not likely given his intelligence level, but for all you know it's a distinct possibility.

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My understanding is that the "unban" has not yet happened.

That said, it seems that you're implying that a ban is acceptable evidence of wrong doing, yet an unban is not acceptable evidence of exoneration. Both are actions conducted by authority figures. Why would one be more persuasive than the other? It follows that if bans can be trusted, so should unbans.
I agree with you.. however in this scenario Eccezan the accused has already admitted to ninja looting another guilds mob. No matter what the outcome, he was wrong.

Massive Marc 02-11-2013 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Alarti0001 (Post 846102)
Your mad...... bro? LOL Get off those roids rage kid.
BAD POSTER IS BAD ? U MAD ? GETTING OWNED DAILY BY A FRENCH MAN HAS CLEARLY TAKEN A ITS TOLL ON YOUR ABILITY TO POST ANYTHING WORTHY OF RNF. GO BACK TO TROLLING HERE

radditsu 02-11-2013 05:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus (Post 846105)
My understanding is that the "unban" has not yet happened.

That said, it seems that you're implying that a ban is acceptable evidence of wrong doing, yet an unban is not acceptable evidence of exoneration. Both are actions conducted by authority figures. Why would one be more persuasive than the other? It follows that if bans can be trusted, so should unbans.



Yes. I would like to hear a proper and thorough rationalization of why MQ would be used when so much is at stake. It's certainly possible, but it is a sloppiness that has generally not been seen within TMO's leadership.

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Eccezan is Gene Hackman

Alarti0001 02-11-2013 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Massive Marc (Post 846113)
BAD POSTER IS BAD ? U MAD ? GETTING OWNED DAILY BY A FRENCH MAN HAS CLEARLY TAKEN A ITS TOLL ON YOUR ABILITY TO POST ANYTHING WORTHY OF RNF. GO BACK TO TROLLING HERE
Capslock keyboard smashing... LOL

Poor kid.... you live in a sad world. Got torpor?


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