I think he's arguing that another guild can't effectively compete with the top 1 or 2 guilds when they can't get access to the meta raiding tools

Idols (or lack there of) don't keep you from competing. There are a lot of targets in this game. Velious introduced TONS of new bosses in MANY different zones.

Guilds can do Tunare, Kael, Sleepers, Zlandi, Yeli, WToV, Dain, etc without even clicking an idol. That's just the new Velious content.

Let's be honest, though. Is OPs complaint about Riot and Vanquish keeping the idol camp on lock down or is this just another passive complaint about the NToV train meta?

Is OP in kittens? Please tell me OP is in kittens.

Is OP recognizing that this is the kind of attitude that they're talking about, the "we can do it and we are going to do it and if you don't like it go <bleep> yourself attitude." I'm not mentioning names, because it's really not about guild's so much as it is behavior that's really inappropriate and unfair to the community. As an aside, I don't think Kittens would actually allow people to lockdown a camp like this, they have a "play nice" rule that means members aren't supposed to be disruptive towards the community or zone, and this is pretty disruptive. There's a reason the general populous isn't calling the KWSM names or complaining about how they're stealing camps or acting like jerks. This is just an aside since you went there and thought naming names was a good thing. Nice spamming btw.

Who was that old shaman that used to sit on the tranix throne like he was an NPC for like 2 years

Unfair how exactly? That's what I'm waiting for any of you to explain. Shiny Brass Idols have basically zero use for anybody outside of the guilds camping them.

Are you upset just because you can't camp them to sell them to the guilds that want them?

Not trying to be mean here, but when you play a non-instanced MMO, this is what you sign up for. There is competition for resources. Literally just about every other MMO on the market (including EQ live and TLP) offer instancing. If you don't like a non-instanced MMO, play another game.

There is no solution to this problem other than instancing, and people like playing here because it is non-instanced. Once you make P99 instanced, it will be the death of the server because you are now basically trying to be a free TLP server, in direct competition with the paid TLP servers. It will probably get shut down at that point. It won't even be that much different than the TLP servers once you put in instancing. If you want instancing, play the TLP servers.

Kittens would camp these items around the clock too if they had players willing to do so. The only reason why Kittens doesn't do this is because they are more casual than the top raiding guilds. That doesn't make them altruistic, or play more fairly. This isn't meant to be an insult to Kittens, I think they are a great guild and a huge benefit to this server. But that "play nice policy" you are talking about is the same as the P99 play nice policy, you can't be disruptive to the zone.

Camping an item is not considered zone disruption. It would be silly to say that, since you have no idea if the player is even getting the item they are after. EQ can screw you over to the point where you are waiting literal days in time for an item. How are you going to prove that? Will you just force someone to stop camping an item because you want a turn? That is just as selfish, and if you were honest with yourself you would probably consider that zone disruption too. You are forcing players to change what they are doing to fit your schedule.

uninstall, but keep reading the forums for the luls.

hope this helps

Lesser raid guilds also encourage/incentivize members to get a list of items including DA idols. You're right that a lot of raid content doesn't require DA idols, but people still try to get one because they believe it's necessary to be prepared for general raiding. Guilds and players trying to claw their way up the raid ladder will camp these idols and other stuff too, despite the fact that they don't need them for Dain or whatever.

The fact the the person can dictate who they hand the camp off to is a shit rule. I'm not sure why people are citing "the PnP" (hypocritical name btw) when the OP asked for opinions on the behavior and not what the rules of the server are.

It's a scumbag move, end of story but typical and people are rewarded for scumbagging under the "play nice policy"

Nah, the OP posed a very specific question under false pretenses. This isn't a conversation, it's a farce.

I don't know if they're complaining because they're in Kittens and they think they can't raid without idols or if they just want the idol camp to sell idols.

OP is too busy playing the victim to play the game.