Project 1999 - war epic proc bugged?

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Always pulled snap aggro over epic wars with x2 rmoy, dont care about your calculations, i know that shit always snapped aggro over epics in grps or on a small raid.

So is it a bug or working as intended and classic? I confused...

Hard to say. Maybe back then not everyone would blow their load on a mob as soon as it was pulled and let the warrior get agro. I'm sure those people existed but you would quickly identify them as baddies and distance yourself from them. Also, when you created a rogue they didn't spawn in their starting city with a Ragebringer, as they do here.

The Epic procs 100DD and then the agro DoT. The dot lasts about 2 minutes i think? I seldom see the message that is has wore off, but I have. Anyways, that means you just did 100 agro to a mob, with x per tick. You are easily going to be surpassed by an enchanter that instant tashes, or a shaman that instant slows. It's irritating and happens every time, which is why I use VP weapons. With the VP snap agro, you do it all at once (579), and it can compete with this fast paced game were trying to force upon eq, that we have probably learned from WoW or whatever else.

This is Classic. Knights were almost preferred exp grinding tanks with disease cloud/stun.

thanks for the input...wow so war epic=shit, except for stats...

why the fuck is anyone gonna pay 500k for the goddamn green scale on top of racing for maestro, on top of all the other shit?

oh wait that's right...dem lightsabres! pew pew!

ugh...i'm gonna need to get Botbde...

Code:

Warrior A                                Warrior B        APH        APD        ASH        ASD        AHATE        BPH        BPD        BSH        BSD        BHATE        Diff        Spell             Estimate                                                                

Epic+Star of the Guardian        Dagas+Ixi Sceptre        22        14        21        14        844        46        11        31        15        1477        633        Rage of Vallon        600                                                                

Yak Scim+Ixi Sceptre              GuardianStar+Epic        14        8        0        15        266        28        14        14        14        896        630        Ykesha                575                                                                

Veridix+Ixi Sceptre                 Dagas+Ixi Sceptre        27        13        16        15        888        56        11        26        15        1622        734        Force Shock        679                                                                

SarnakWarhammer+Shield                 Ixi Sceptre+Epic        84        9        0        0        1680        56        15        37        14        1974        294        Stun             250                                                                

Malevolent RB+Ixi Sceptre        Dagas+Ixi Sceptre        16        13        9        15        519        47        11        19        15        1319        800        Froglok Poison        750                                                                

Yak Scimitar+Shield                Ixi Sceptre+Epic        29        8        0        0        551        27        15        31        15        1167        616        Ykesha            575                                                                

2x Disease Cloud                    Dagas+Ixi Sceptre        0        0        0        0        0        39        11        18        15        1128        1128        Disease Cloud        550                                                                

2x Shadow Vortex                   Dagas+Ixi Sceptre        0        0        0        0        0        40        11        16        15        1120        1120        Shadow Vortex        550                                                                

SarnakWarhammer+Shield                 Ixi Sceptre+Epic        10        9        0        0        200        19        15        13        14        676        476        Stun                 400

I got Cucumbers, Dagorn, and Coeur to help me with the test I described earlier in this thread.

Conclusions: I'm not 100% sure this is totally working. All of the results make sense except first one for the Sarnak Warhammer. If I had to guess, I would say:

Stun is 400 aggro
0.0 stun is 500 aggro (no idea why)
Poison aggro is 225 per counter
DD aggro is 1 per point

I don't think there is any aggro dot (although this test would not be able to tell the difference). When I looked up the alla page, multiple people were claiming the warrior epic should have an AC/ATK debuff (but the person who actually parsed spdat.eff in early 2001 just showed the hate and DD; see http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum...hp/t-6905.html and http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=2630). I'm guessing that the difference in "snap aggro" that Luchino notices is mostly due to the increased melee hate of the Feverblade (plus the proc should be a bit better than the epic according to this). If he is higher on the hate list to begin with then when he procs he'll be more likely to jump to the top of the list.

Here's what my sperglord spreadsheet has to say about warrior aggro:

Feverblade/Shissar 87 hate/sec [that's with 11/20 Feverblade even]
Epic/Shissar 80 hate/sec
Veldrak/Veridix 80 hate/sec
Howling Cutlass/Malevolent Runeblade: 79 hate/sec
Blade of the Black Dragon Eye/Ringed Mace of the Ykesha 78 hate/sec
Ringed Mace x2: 70 hate/sec
Epic/Epic 67 hate/sec

None of this is particularly surprising: it basically says you need two of VP/BOTBDE/Red Epic. Also this list is slightly unfair to the Blade of Tactics; most warriors won't hit 255 dex without it or avatar.

Just a thought after I logged off:

On the parses, can you see how long the sarnak warhammer stun lasted for?

first test: 250 hate, did it last 2.5 seconds?
second test: 400 hate, did it last 4 seconds?

wouldn't that be interesting?

edit: I should note that almost everywhere I've looked it lists rage of vallon as a spell that lasts up to 2 minutes

Why is this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by khanable (Post 1089656)

I should note that almost everywhere I've looked it lists rage of vallon as a spell that lasts up to 2 minutes

Why is this?

Because its an agro over time spell. I kept using the term DoT, poor usage i guess. Also meaning its NOT 600 agro instantly. 100DD (100 agro) and 25 agro per tick for 2 mins.

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Originally Posted by Luchino (Post 1089817)

Because its an agro over time spell. I kept using the term DoT, poor usage i guess. Also meaning its NOT 600 agro instantly. 100DD (100 agro) and 25 agro per tick for 2 mins.

I see

I guess the intent of the warrior epic was to help warriors maintain aggro over time, putting them ahead of rogues/monks

In a time where, like you said, everyone didn't blow their load instantly.. makes sense I guess.

That's a shame to be honest.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luchino (Post 1089817)

Because its an agro over time spell. I kept using the term DoT, poor usage i guess. Also meaning its NOT 600 agro instantly. 100DD (100 agro) and 25 agro per tick for 2 mins.

I really do not think this is the case.

http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellraw....35&source=Live
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellraw....41&source=Live
http://lucy.allakhazam.com/spellraw....24&source=Live