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spoils 08-22-2013 04:21 PM

war epic proc bugged?
i hear rumors it's bugged...any confirmation of this? that the aggro sucks on it?

Luchino 08-24-2013 06:58 AM

It's not snap agro so I hate it. I use other weapons in fast paced groups.

spoils 08-24-2013 05:45 PM

Shouldn't it be snap aggro? I'm told two rmoy or botbde destroys epic in aggro holding capabilities

Luchino 08-24-2013 06:59 PM

You would think. Its more like an agro DoT. Once i'm fighting shit for a while with it i wont lose agro until others have less than 20%hp. I use the VP toys on anything that's not a raid mob.

spoils 08-24-2013 07:04 PM

issat classic?

heartbrand 08-24-2013 07:48 PM

I use mallets on all VP shit but in groups weapons like feverblade / blade of the shissar / the froglok poison one all seem to be instant aggro whereas the warrior epic proc does not.

Splorf22 08-24-2013 08:01 PM

From everything I understand about the hate list, aggro is aggro. If a mob turns to face you after a proc, it's because pre-proc you were 2+ on the hatelist and after the proc you improved to #1. has a list of what all the hate values should be. Stuns are 400 hate and direct damage is 1, so any Ykesha should be 475 hate per proc. Veldrak's Shortblade should be 579, and the Blade of Strategy should be 600 hate. Unfortunately the table doesn't have an entry for poison based weapons like the Blade of the Black Dragon Eye.

If you think the epic proc is bugged, it would be fairly easy to measure exactly how much hate the epic gives. You'll need 3 people:

1. A puller to tag the mob (so you don't have to worry about initial aggro)
2. Once in camp, the warrior melees until the epic procs (I suggest fists in the offhand)
3. As soon as the warrior gets aggro, he stops attacking and another class attacks without proccing weapons weapons until HE draws aggro.

Swing (hit or miss) aggro is weapon-damage + damage-bonus, so our epic warrior gets 25 hate for each primary swing and 1 hate for each offhand punch. Let's say we have an epic/sos monk for our third man, who gets 20 hate for each primary punch and 17 hate for each offhand crush. If for example our stats looked like:

War: 14 swings, 8 punches, 1 epic proc
Mnk: 30 punches, 18 crushes

we could write: 14*25+8*1+PROC = 30*20 + 18*17 which implies in this imaginary test (if I am doing my mental math right) that the proc in question is 548 hate. In fact it is easy to do this test for any proccing weapon and determine its exact hate value.

Freakish 08-24-2013 11:29 PM

You used more than three numbers.
You keep using that word "easy".
I do not think it means what you think it means.

A1551 08-25-2013 04:27 PM

he means easy vs something like determining how well AC works here...because in comparison that is pretty easy!

Freakish 08-25-2013 04:51 PM

I know. It just reminded me of my college calculus professor. "This is easy! I've taught it for 30 years. Why don't you understand?!"

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