SK roles
 

I’ve heard that the rule of thumb with Shadowknights is “Ogre if you want to tank, Troll if you want to pull.”

Is the rationale that you need the regen for pulling? I’d think FSI would come in handy to channel that FD when you’re getting beat on. Maybe with Death Peace and the fast cast that isn’t a concern? Or maybe with raid mobs the hits are so hard that you’re not channeling anything and need to gain distance and regen laying down?

Is there anything else that makes a Troll a better puller? Size, green skin, other?

That is some serious min maxing but yeah regen would be nice for pulling, but eff I can agree that if there is one thing that is going to make me flip my table is running through mobs and getting stunned, but not sure if its mobs hitting me that initially agro from the front bashing me, or behind anyway. So idk I'd like to try running as an ogre through a ton of mobs but I cant say I have.

But on my barbarian, rooting 4 mobs with a shaman and running through them to move to a different position, makes me want to tear my own head off like a broken robocop when I get stunned, just because it's annoying.

I like dark elf for pulling more int bigger mana pool lifetaps/fd/snare all cost mana. Wear fungi/coldain rings for the regen. Also you dont get stuck in every dungeon in the game and also aren’t ugly.

I have a Troll Shadowknight myself.

For Shadowknights, I would say the Troll/Ogre debate comes down to what you prefer to do: Soloing or Grouping. If you prefer to solo, the Troll regeneration will give you a lot more benefit than FSI. https://wiki.project1999.com/Blood_Ember_Greaves and https://wiki.project1999.com/Death_Peace will give you plenty of FD opportunities before you die in most cases.

The inability to use https://wiki.project1999.com/Blood_Ember_Greaves , https://wiki.project1999.com/Blood_Ember_Boots , and https://wiki.project1999.com/Blood_Ember_Gauntlets makes me dislike Iksars, even though they have racial regen as well. They do get https://wiki.project1999.com/Greenmist , but I think it is a little over hyped myself. It is nice to be able to stack Epic and Greenmist procs. However, due to both DoTs having a fairly short timer, that stacking isn't as common as one would like. Whenever the DoTs aren't stacked, Greenmist is just a not quite as good Epic.

If you prefer to group most of the time, FSI is usually the better racial. It maximizes your ability to maintain agro, and adjust to changing situations. Yes, you may not regenerate quite as fast after a bad pull, but you will regenerate pretty fast with a https://wiki.project1999.com/Fungus_Covered_Scale_Tunic , and you will probably have a regeneration spell on as well if one of your group members can do it. Grouping generally speeds everything up, since you will generally have buffs and heals.

I am Vineslier Orges SK. And tbh Immunity to stun is just 2 amazing. I was barb warrior for tanking as well. Getting stunned all the time sucks. But in long scheme of things, tank being stunned isn't a huge issue. As long as you have agro ur golden. For anyone creating an SK now, personally I'd think Dark elf is the way to go. The high int, which less face it later in game mana pool is a huge thing to SK. Plus added benefit of Ring of dead use.

Trolls are nice for regen, but meh when u get a fungi troll regen won't be nearly as big.

For your question though. There is a lot of times FD fails, and not getting stunned while finally getting off that 2nd cast is nice. but very situational

End result play what you want. :)

Ogre racial is nice if you get mad when you get bash-stunned. Otherwise it's mostly fluff. Most of the shadow knight spells cast fast anyway and none of them are particularly slow thanks to hybrid spellhaste at high levels. The ogre's main advantage lies in its significant statistic bonus. Trolls are good for regeneration, still have pretty good statistics, and if I wanted to feel like I was min-maxing the class that's what I'd pick. However my own shadow knight is human and it has given good service since its creation over 9 years ago. People overthink race to an absurd degree in this game. You're by far best-suited by choosing the race you like the look of the best because the "perfect" character won't do you any good if you never play it because you think it looks stupid.

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For pulling go with a smaller race. Human SK is gangsta.

Nothing more annoying than trying to waddle around a dungeon w/ low arches constantly pulling. Yes, shaman are plentiful and shrink is a thing...but that one time you're full size and crouch-waddling at a camp you're gonna hate yourself.

Honestly if it weren't for the DKP I've spent on no drop items, I'd delete my 54 ogre war today and roll a gnome or female halfling.

Iksar not a Giant, gets regen, gets AC buff, gets greenmist, what am I missing here?

Shrink is easy to get, and not necessary most of the time.

AC buff isn't anything amazing.

Iksars lose https://wiki.project1999.com/Blood_Ember_Greaves , https://wiki.project1999.com/Blood_Ember_Boots , and https://wiki.project1999.com/Blood_Ember_Gauntlets , which are all great clickies that save mana, and work if you run out of mana.

Greenmist isn't amazing. It is only good when you can stack Epic and Greenmist DoTs, but that isn't a super common occurrence, due to both DoTs having a short timer. Whenever the DoTs aren't stacked, you are getting no benefit from Greenmist. If you proc'd Greenmist instead of Epic, you just have an inferior DoT compared to your Epic.

If you want to pull in raids, just be a monk imo. Even a human monk outclasses an ogre/troll sk in basically every way.

Troll def has the solo edge. But Even my troll sk who has about 500k in gear, it’s still a painfully slow process. When it comes to sks, just play what you like to stare at, there might be 1-2 times in your entire career where you wipe due to not getting Being able to get a fd off because of Stuns.