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bridgetroll 03-06-2013 08:53 AM

questions regarding druid charming in permafrost pits
 
This question is for druid vets who have charm solo'ed in permafrost pits.

Just hit 54 on my druid and got past that pesky magi giant to get to the bear pits in permafrost. Started to charm kill the bears, wolves and spiders in the pit and I have a couple of initial questions:

1. Do you use your highest level root (engulfing roots) when charming?

2. What is the best way to charm the bear pit (4 bear room and the 2 bear room)?

I've seen people say to stack them, charm a bear, let the other bears maul him down to around 5-10%, and then charm another. Question here is whether charming another bear to finish off the old pet (now at low health) would yield full exp provided that i've done 1 point of dmg to him (via root).

3. Is there one method you found to work best in general when clearing the pits? Whether it be an set order of spells you use or lower level spells, etc.

Any tips would be appreciated.

Thanks

Norok 03-06-2013 12:14 PM

Did this all through my 50's on my druid. Here is what I learned:
  • Give preference to wolves as pets. They are slightly higher level on average than the bears.
  • Use haste and thorns on your pet.
  • Snare EVERYTHING. Especially your pet (I refresh before each charm). Nothing ruins your cycle quicker than a runner that aggros tentacle terrors.
  • I used my level 24 root. I found it gave me enough time compared to mana efficiency.
  • Use Invis to Animals (quicker and mana cheaper than Camo) to break your charm. Any time charm is broken all damage is cleared to give you full exp.
  • < 5% health is your magic level that gives you enough time to cast invis to break charm, root, and ES vambraces to death anything. ES Vambraces are about 2% per cast IIRC. So you may need 3.
  • Once you have a mob down to 5% its snare should make it stay in place. Break your charm, run to the other end of the room, recast charm, then ES vambraces the mob before sending your re-charmed pet (which should be at about 60% life) on another mob. Let it work while you DoT your prior mob. That's your basic pattern.

Hope this helps.

TWDL_Prexus 03-06-2013 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Norok (Post 876049)
Did this all through my 50's on my druid. Here is what I learned:
  • Give preference to wolves as pets. They are slightly higher level on average than the bears.

  • Use haste and thorns on your pet.
  • Snare EVERYTHING. Especially your pet (I refresh before each charm). Nothing ruins your cycle quicker than a runner that aggros tentacle terrors.
  • I used my level 24 root. I found it gave me enough time compared to mana efficiency.
  • Use Invis to Animals (quicker and mana cheaper than Camo) to break your charm. Any time charm is broken all damage is cleared to give you full exp.
  • < 5% health is your magic level that gives you enough time to cast invis to break charm, root, and ES vambraces to death anything. ES Vambraces are about 2% per cast IIRC. So you may need 3.
  • Once you have a mob down to 5% its snare should make it stay in place. Break your charm, run to the other end of the room, recast charm, then ES vambraces the mob before sending your re-charmed pet (which should be at about 60% life) on another mob. Let it work while you DoT your prior mob. That's your basic pattern.

Hope this helps.


Thorns.. maybe if you got the mana. But haste? Never. You want your pet to die as fast as possible. Pull to your snared pet and root npcs there. I usually had 2 roots up incase. Bind down there, and make sure you have a leatherfoot hat.

Snare, Glamour, Charm pet. Have it guard and pull to him so you don't have to battle with the pathing there. Get a few animals. I usually had 3-5 beating my pet at a time. Once he gets low hp invis, and es arms old pet. Get a new pet and rinse and repeat. As long as your new pet doesn't hit your old pet, or atleast not for much dmg you will get full exp.

47shadesofgay 03-06-2013 12:59 PM

Getting past magi is easy.. just train him out to zoneline then run back down before he resets.

Waedawen 03-06-2013 01:04 PM

Charm pet, have the other bears Mob him, break before he dies. Make sure all are rooted.

Norok 03-06-2013 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TWDL_Prexus (Post 876107)
Thorns.. maybe if you got the mana. But haste? Never. You want your pet to die as fast as possible. Pull to your snared pet and root npcs there. I usually had 2 roots up incase. Bind down there, and make sure you have a leatherfoot hat.

Snare, Glamour, Charm pet. Have it guard and pull to him so you don't have to battle with the pathing there. Get a few animals. I usually had 3-5 beating my pet at a time. Once he gets low hp invis, and es arms old pet. Get a new pet and rinse and repeat. As long as your new pet doesn't hit your old pet, or atleast not for much dmg you will get full exp.

Both our methods work but I am going to disagree with you.

Glamour; I never load it. I have never found it to make much difference.

I prefer to invest the extra mana in a thorned, hasted pet that will be able to kill 3 mobs before it is at low life to be killed itself. You must manage a total of 4 mobs by the end either snared, rooted, or both. All while chain casting ES Vambraces on them, keeping charm broken and refreshed at proper times, and not letting anything run. Definitely harder.

TWDL_Prexus's method is good for the semi-AFK as you have short, limited, and safe kills. If you've got the time and attention you can maximize your exp using the method I've presented. Around 57 I was able to kill all 14 mobs in the cycle just before repop. That rate allows you to get through 57-60 in roughly 14-16 hours each.

Norok 03-06-2013 01:32 PM

Oh, and getting past Magi... Don't even waste your time trying to kill.

Load up your Magic Resists, Bind Affinity, Camo, and a TP somewhere safe.

Run past him, drop down. Invis and run to a corner. Bind affinity and teleport out. Gate back clear of aggro, invis, and then rebind in the top room against one of the safer walls.

TWDL_Prexus 03-06-2013 03:30 PM

Glamour is very much worth the 10 mana before you charm a pet.

Rusl 03-06-2013 04:19 PM

Should ask Dexs for pro perma pit tips

Norok 03-06-2013 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TWDL_Prexus (Post 876271)
Glamour is very much worth the 10 mana before you charm a pet.

I usually don't have the spells slot for it; since I use thorns and haste.


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