Class defining epic
 

What would you guys say is the most impactful epic in the game and why? How would you rate them all in order if you had to list them out?

1. Mage? The beast pet?
2. Monk? Crazy fists and haste?
etc. etc.
..
13. Enchanter? Buff basically as good as VoG? Who cares?
14. Necro? Free dot? So?

What do you guys think?

cleric obviously

For raiding utility, cleric. For overall "class defining" - bard without question.

Just to expand - cleric epic has a ton of utility, but doesnt really change the way the class is played. Its a spell they already get, and while super useful, doesnt have nearly the impact on the class as the bard epic does. The cleric epic is really only game changing when youve got a pile of bodies to rez, where as on my bard everything i do is improved by having the epic to such am extent that it actually opens up new play style options that are unavailable to a non-epic bard.

Cant argue against the situational utility of the cleric epic, but in my mind the bard epic is definitely the most "class defining", as ambiguous as that phrase may be.

1. Cleric
2-3. Rogue or Bard
<Huge gap here>
4. Everyone else except
<huge gap here>
5. Necro

(Expounding)
Bards will always have theirs equiped here, Clerics only get an "upgrade" out of NToV, Rogues will still equip theirs offhand at least.

Cleric's makes wipe recovery a breeze, especially with a necro/monk+rez stick.
Rogue's lets them start doing that crazy DPS that they do.
Bard's is honestly #1 in what it adds to the class, but its not as amazing as silly Dps/Rez sticks until fights last longer.


Warrior/Monk/SK/Ranger/Pally/Ench/Mage/Wiz/Druid/Sham are all nice but don't really change anything for the class and are replaced with NToV/ST/AoW loot except to click.

Necro's is incredibly hard to finish and not great until Snare stacks with Root... and even then the VP sticks are better. It does however resemble a duck.

Only the Paladin gets a true flaming epeen to wave about. Even if the particle effect looks more like a backyard gas grille than a flaming sword, it's the best the game has to offer.

The EQ Paladin Motto: Live fast, ram your flaming agro magnet up some dragon's ass, leave a good looking corpse.

Bard epic is really the only epic I can think of that fundamentally changes how the actual class operates and is played. Depends what your definition of class defining is but to me that covers it.

i wish i could get a bard epic some day... it is depressing to know it is basically impossible.

cleric/bard

everything else is just a varying degree of "it's nice to have"

1. cleric
2. bard
3. magician
4. rogue (consider BiS for Rogue in Kunark doesnt involve RB, but it's insanely easy to obtain and reasonably may be your permanent primary weapon if you're casual even throughout Velious)
5. ranger (offhand)