I think people tend to forget that Mage epic is a spell. You can die and summon a new epic to help with a CR. No other class can let their corpse rot without worrying about losing your pixels.

Anyone who has played a bard pre and post epic can tell you that its a whole new class after you get your epic. It is amazing. At one time or another I have played every class with and without epic..and bard epic is hands down the biggest game changer.

Does this mean i don't value my shamans epic? Shit no...its great for solo, meh for groups, crap for raids...but shaman is a great solo class so it is still a great epic.

But bard epic actually changes how you play. Shaman epic just gives you an extra free dot.

I will say once the patch allows offhand epic mod and Drum of the Beasts is available. Primary Drum + Secondary Epic. And Primary Silverwing Lute + Secondary Epic become the baller combinations of the day.

i started a bard because i always wanted the epic. did so before i realized ill never be able to get it because of trak drop and not being able to get in a hardcore guild because of playtime. bummersalad. time to start saving for that MQ.

Rogues won't be banking their Ragebringers in Velious until they get a Primal Velium Warspear, Massive Heartwood Thorn, and Claws of Lightning or equivalent offhand. Even then the damage might be close. 40 worn ATK, aka Vengeance VIII, is pretty huge. From what I recall, it was 1500 ATK (including avatar), 41% haste, and two post epics to see a benefit from swapping out epic. I'm not entirely sure rogues can hit that point yet.

AoB x3, CoP, Avatar. Perhaps. But the vast, vast majority of rogues will never get rid of their epic.

Mage epic saves you thousands of malachites. That is just...too amazing.

I had a rogue with all those weapons in this exact era, and I parsed for dozens of hours. You don't need need a MHT to make epic bankable. Primal + CoL does, Vyemm + CoL does, etc. Few other combos as well.

Its going to be crazy awesome. Denon's Horn of Disaster from sky is also primary and can be held with epic in offhand. That covers all of them. Other than wind which is also available already but serves no useful purpose.

My class defining epic is my autofire program.

Druid Epic right now (and probably later) is by far the most useless epic. It's either a really cool Stat Sword, or a really cool Stat Sword with a pathetic DoT.

Magician Epic is CRIMINALLY underrated for how powerful the pet is and the options it opens up for the player. The thing is seriously, seriously awesome. It's stronger than 90% of the player base, for Christ's sake.

Bard and Cleric epics are tied for how beneficial and useful they are over all. The time/energy/difficulty benefits of each are simply uncalculable and unfathomable. Imagine *not* having clicky res.

But as far as Class Defining? I'd have to say the Warrior epics. I don't know how to explain it, but there is a distinct difference between a Warrior with light sabers and a Warrior without them.