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Holyforge Discipline should critical on live mobs?
Allakhazam comments seem to show that circa 2003-4 the Paladin discipline Holyforge should:
Is this how the discipline always functioned? And does the discipline currently function this way on Velious beta? |
couldnt all melee critical by 2003?
second comment seems to sum it up - "increases your chance to critical, but not by much" (implying that they could innately by then) |
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I think the critical on non undead type NPCs with Holyforge was a bug that was introduced with Luclin AA's where all melee could crit.
I seem to recall a screenshot that showed Holyforge critting vs a non undead NPC with the stone UI though so I could be wrong. |
Holyforge should only be vs undead until Luclin comes out.
I remember that being a big deal. |
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in response to other people posts. with aas every class could perform critics , paladins could only under holyforge do critics to live mobs and crips to undead. when introduced during luclin original slay undead allowed to perform in regular fashion 15k dmg with a single slay and 30 while using holyforge . used for few paladins for solo shit like vs ( u needed a 50+ dmg 2hander in my case tunare one ). eventualy slay was nerfed , mostly thanks to the wizard community as a backlash of the manaburn nerf. holyforge allowed u to turn every critic into a slay and would double slay value . that was removed. http://eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=12622 quick link of our half brothers about it. eventualy the discussion about to turn slay into a triggered attack like harmtouch etc was ditched infavour of the classical sony nerf, they just reduced nerfed slay dmg and ability of holyforge to affect slay% to the point holyforge was 100% useles untill they reversed some of the damage back in 2004 peace gotta go and phone post |
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http://crucible.samanna.net/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=4603 if u want to have a interesting read up about how holyforge was tied to slay and why it was changed so many times. Prior to the changes 50% of critical hits were converted to Slays and Holyforge increased critical hits 200%(or 3x). Therefore Holyforge was a powerful disc for fighting undead. The PoP era change to Slay Undead ended the relationship between critical hits and Slays. No longer were 50% of critical hits converted to Slays. Of course this was a big nerf to Holyforge as it lost some of its power against undead. For years I have operated under the idea that at this time a change was also made for the game to check for critical hits and then slays(if a failure for critical). Such a system would have an even bigger negative impact on Holyforge vs. undead with Holyforge's huge increase to critical hits. So, I am glad to |
slay is AA (luclin) so all we need to find is velious discussion about holyforge then
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So all talk of slay aside, holyforge did or did not crit against live mobs in velious?
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yes
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