Originally Posted by shuklak (Post 2516867)

What should a 40s mage think of this? Anything worth pursuing?

Originally Posted by shuklak (Post 2516867)

What should a 40s mage think of this? Anything worth pursuing?

Originally Posted by loramin (Post 2516880)

They should think that this is just a fix for a bug and they don't need to drop what they're doing to exploit it before it gets fixed. Remember, everyone on live managed to get their faction up just fine without "cheating" it this way, so everyone who factions on this server after the fix goes in will be just fine also.

EDIT: No offense intended to anyone taking advantage of this bug. There have been thousands of bugs like this in P99's history, and tons people have taken advantage of them. I'm not faulting anyone, just saying it's not like Velious factioning is all that hard in the first place that anyone needs to interrupt what they're doing to exploit it.

Originally Posted by Lhancelot (Post 2516938)

it takes a good 5-6 hours of constant grinding to get your faction maxed, if this is cheating anything I don't see how.

Originally Posted by https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq/index.php?threads/how-many-of-these-en-things-do-i-have-to-kill.30252/

/rant on
Please understand gentle readers that I have been hunting Frost Giants in Great Divide for almost 10 levels. Quite some time ago I maxxed out my Coldain faction. So when a guildmate offered to ** some of the Skyshrine armor with me I figured I should be getting close to Ally with CoV faction. Just to be sure I made the perilous journey through Kael to Wakening Land to present myself to Woushi and see how I stood with the dragons. How did I con you ask. Ally? Warmly? NO!!!! I was Apprehensive!!!!! After slaughtering countless Giants for endless hours I was apprehensive! What do I have to do? Slaughter all of Kael singlehanded? If I could do that I wouldn't need their stinking armor! ARRRRGHHHHH!!!!!! :smileymad:
/rant off

Originally Posted by Lhancelot (Post 2516938)

implemented because on Live it ALSO got changed

Originally Posted by Lhancelot (Post 2516938)

Exactly how does this help anything, or improve upon the game by making faction grind even longer than it is.

Originally Posted by loramin (Post 2516946)

... and that was in 2004 (several years post-Velious-release)

But, as I tried to explain, it's not "cheating" in any P99 sense, just in the sense that what's happening here is easier than what was on live. And again, my point in bringing this up wasn't to say "you're a non-classic cheater if you kill giants before the fix", it was just to say that if however many people playing Velious on live could do it without the bug, so can anyone here.


I checked the patch notes and didn't see any mention of this, so I assumed it was a P99 thing. But I'll freely admit I didn't check very hard, so it's entirely possible I missed it and this is a classic fix. If so I apologize for implying otherwise, but my point remains the same.



There are many, many non-classic changes that would make the game better, and I'd donate $500 on the spot if it would make the devs spin up a "Classic+" server with those changes (bring back light blue mobs and buff timers!). But nevertheless live was brutal in a lot of things: slow raising of dragon faction from killing nameless giants is far from the only one. If you make those things less brutal here than it's simply not classic, and (I believe) that's what happened here.

Originally Posted by Lhancelot (Post 2516970)

but honestly we can't take one post wrought with hyperbole and claim it as gospel.

Originally Posted by Floraline (Post 2517124)

On the Live program server, I did Karl Arena twice and was ally to CoV, so they must have changed it since 2004.

Originally Posted by loramin (Post 2517129)

Yeah, I'm a lazy person so I just picked the first (admittedly not so ideal) example I could find. I'm sure the devs have much better examples behind their decision though.