Originally Posted by Culkasi (Post 2666788)

Awakened could have not been there in the first place (left zone after conceding)
Awakened could have waited to pull Feshlak till after CSG had killed Eashen and vacated the space
Awakened could have done the two above on the countless times variations of this has happened in the past
Awakened could have been more open to not have 2 guilds kill 95% of the raid content for months and months on end.

Originally Posted by Culkasi (Post 2666739)

I don't think CSG (now being Europa and Omni) will get much out of this 30 day ban, and I am okay with that - I also think 30 day is a bit harsh really. But I have learned long ago that dialogue with A/A leadership leads to nothing, so if they can't even leave us alone to kill a mob they have already conceded because of breaking the rules, then yeah, ban is in order. The reason for 30 days? I imagnie uncountable number of bans in the past cpl of years, things add up - stop getting in situations where bans are possible?

We never ask for any guild to be banned, we always ask to be left alone when we once in a while target a mob. This was one of those times, and this time we got rolled over by a guild who doesn't care, because they had to kill a mob they also don't really care for after having killed hundreds of times, because of some desire to "win" over another guild who has also killed it hundreds of times.....that was a 90 minute waste of 50-60 peoples time - the number of man hours there is staggering.

Call them wellfare pixels, call it an investment, call it whatever you want - let the casaul guilds on P99 see some content without having to play like you do, and I am sure you will only get each other banned going forward.

Originally Posted by Endonde (Post 2666798)

Yep the offending guild reached out and made a deal.

Originally Posted by Lanuven (Post 2666810)

Wasted more than 90 minutes of your own time trying to split triples the other day that no one interfered with.

Originally Posted by Culkasi (Post 2666793)

Its not that we "can't" compete - its that we won't, especially in the current envronment. We just want to be left alone killing a cpl of targets from time to time in a casual EQ setting.
And you should know that its not about 150 warm bodies, its about 10 people willing to dedicate a lot more time to the game than what we can expect across a couple of casual guilds.

Originally Posted by Erati (Post 2666792)

I dont expect you understand how things work. Guilds do not offer things until they are told 'we are going to petition this', its not the other way around.

Originally Posted by Erati (Post 2666767)

The point is, what more can we be done when:

A. Concede all mobs that we messed up on
B. Do not know CSG elevated the issue to petition
C. Do not control the will of the other guilds competing for Eashen
D. Am not allowed to then pull Eashen ( a mob we conceded ) to help 'make up' for potentially costing them a kill.
E. Am not allowed to then DPS Eashen ( a mob we conceded ) to help 'make up' for potentially costing them a kill.
F. If we offer 2 Feshlak and 2 Eashen, as Culk says, AM will simply kill them how does that help CSG

So nice attempt Endonde :P

Originally Posted by Culkasi (Post 2666788)

You are right. After the train, Awakened couldn't do much - damage already done, a lot of our casual people wasted 90 minutes of their time, and Awakened doesn't really have anything to offer to recompense that - they don't "own" any content they could give us, and as Eratani says they are not allowed to help us with Eashen.