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stormlord 05-02-2011 11:53 AM

EQNext?
 
Some suggestions I made in a random post that I'll repost here:

But even if that's accomplished, there's so much about this game I'd like to see improved. More bind points and more places to bind for melee, better more intelligent and descriptive non-player scripts and indepth interaction with them, smarter dungeons that change and respond to the players, houses and guilds that players make that exist in the world not in an instance, towns that change over time in response to the in-game seasons and player activities, difficulty that scales with player population kinda like in diablo 2 (when old content becomes empty over time it needs to be easier but give the same rewards as opposed to smaller ones like in D2), deeper factions and stories that go along with them and activities in the cities that reflect their presence, randomized items like in the diablo series, no more having to go to allah to play the game (make the game more intuitive, add more detail to the quests, get rid of the camping and grinding - no one likes repetitive things or having to look on the internet to get answers), give us more time in combat so that when we make mistakes we can recover because otherwise all we do is react not think, some randomized zones that're instances for those who like instances and want an experience that isn't always hte same, and so on. I could go on and on, as anybody can. There'll never be a perfect game, either. Everything changes.

Here're some more ideas:
1) No pvp server. Instead, just have a dueling system that keeps track of wins/losses/opponents/top 100/etc. The top 100 should be accessible within the game and a player should be able to look at another players dueling history from in-game too. As for rules, when they're dueling, no one else can cast a spell on them unless they're in the arena. If a person kills the same opponent within a span of time, reduce their score. The same kind of rules that're in place elsewhere would be active here to prevent abuses. The reason I think there shouldn't be a pvp server is because I think it's a waste of time. If somebody wants a pvp server, go play a pvp game.
2) Get rid of most built-in portals and give players a more flexible binding system wherein they construct the traveling system themselves. Maybe give us books that have the port locations in them. Maybe have some defaults. Allow us to change what's in the book or add to it. There're lots of ways to both make it reproduce what's on live and also add to it and make it fun. I'm not saying completely remove builtin portals, I'm just saying don't make them the central means of travel. Players should own the travel system, in my view. It's more fun that way when we're actively involved in how it works.
3) Guild AA's or something. I think other games have done this. I think ti's nice to work towards a goal in a guild, as a community. In shadowbane I liked how what I did added to my city even though I didn't really like shadowbane as a game because it was very lacking (but this is another issue). When we're guild members we should feel like we're making our guild better. We shouldn't just be told we're making it better. It needs to be visual and tangible. Maybe even give us our own apartment accessible by some kind of guild portal or instance. I've always wanted to be able to visit rooms in a guildhall for special members or guild leaders. The idea is that they would put stuff in the room that represent their accomplishments or history.
4) Make us learn more, make us hurt less. Punishment is good when somebody does something evil, but I don't think it's good whne they just make a mistake. So the rule is, if in a game a person makes a mistake, either give them enough time to recover from it or don't punish them after they're dead. Lots of hitpoints and mistakes are preferable to a quick death and walking a short distance back, but perhaps a game without death would symbolically be antithetical. Maybe then less death than more. In my view, the best learning tool is hands on, in your face, in the moment. Anytime spent running back after a death is not learning time. Running back after a death is punishment, pure and simple. Mistakes are not evil in nature. Any successful person in life will tell you that they got that way by making mistakes, not by being punished like a prisoner.

Anyone else have ideas for EQNext or some kind of game that has a spirit similar to EQ.

Taryth 05-02-2011 12:09 PM

EQNext, for lack of divergent behavior on SOE's behalf, will be just as easy and cheesy as Rift . . .and their own EQ2.

They're not going to suddenly turn off the cheese valves. Every MMO they own has been reduced to WoW-like simplicity. If that's not the most obvious giveaway for future products, I don't know what is.

Knuckle 05-02-2011 12:17 PM

Sony spins out shit products like nobodies business.

stormlord 05-02-2011 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taryth (Post 281030)
EQNext, for lack of divergent behavior on SOE's behalf, will be just as easy and cheesy as Rift . . .and their own EQ2.

They're not going to suddenly turn off the cheese valves. Every MMO they own has been reduced to WoW-like simplicity. If that's not the most obvious giveaway for future products, I don't know what is.

There's nothing wrong with accessibility and lack of punishment on the games part. What I don't like about WoW is the lack of freedom (like building homes, being able to do non-smart things, changing the world, etc) and the lack of detail (tons of skills and strategies to learn so you can be good). Games usually simplify it so somebody can sit down and play well straight away, but for me I usually jump up with joy if I fail miserably at first. This is NOT to say I wnat to be punished after falling down. If it had more of these kinds of things, and some of what I listed above, I'd be veyr interested. It doesn't have to have raids and/or corpse runs and/or hell levels and/or death experience loss. Those are not the things that make EQ great. What makes EQ great is its world, are the experiences we have, the friends we make, the memories we take with us, the dungeons we explore, the story that we uncover, the secrets that we find, the treasures that we wear, and so on. A game doesn't have to bite me for me to like it, but it DOES have to have some meat on its bones.

I also think I'm more a fan of less heroic models. A lot of the modern character models look like supermodel superheroes, or just a horrible attempt. Kind of turns me off a little bit. One of hte nice things about the old eq human models is that they're something I can almost relate to. I like that. Some of the models even make fun of themselves. That's even better. But they don't go too far. I do think the females need more clothes, though. I'm just generally saying here that a lot of mmorpgs love the muscled up superhero but I don't.

Otto 05-02-2011 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knuckle (Post 281034)
Sony spins out shit products like nobodies business.

Truth, but I'm still gonna give it a fair shake for the tiny little part of me left that thinks maybe EQ isn't truly dead

Goosefabba 05-02-2011 01:48 PM

Im acutaly a fan of what SoE did with DCU online, only real downside is its low lvl cap and not enough endgame content.maybe if they made lvling harder also.

wehrmacht 05-03-2011 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by stormlord (Post 281016)

Here're some more ideas
1) No pvp server. Instead, just have a dueling system that keeps track of wins/losses/opponents/top 100/etc.


LOL @ This crap

Smyd 05-03-2011 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taryth (Post 281030)
EQNext, for lack of divergent behavior on SOE's behalf, will be just as easy and cheesy as Rift . . .and their own EQ2.

They're not going to suddenly turn off the cheese valves. Every MMO they own has been reduced to WoW-like simplicity. If that's not the most obvious giveaway for future products, I don't know what is.

Come tank an Expert Tier 2 dungeon in rift and tell me it's still easy.
Ignorant, cookie-cutter posts such as these annoy the crap out of me... how about you first play games you ridicule and form your own opinion, before you copy/paste everyone else's like a worthless sheep.

Hmotzart 05-03-2011 10:13 AM

Would like to say. I am Sidistik on Dcuo.. BAY FAR THE COOLEST game ever. Like vanguard tho sony got there hands on this game. Less than 9 days played and I am of max lvl with all of the tier1 gear and some of the tier2 gear in game, I have seen all the content they have and will not be renewing my membership to sony EVER!

All the mmorpg are catering to the bottle fed players these days... All we can hope is that someday they will realize they are losing $$ from the real gamers and need to create hard servers. Where those of us who want a hard long term game could play. Leave the bottle fed people on the EZ servers.

I don't doubt rift has "HARD" situations but I played it and IMO was to easy to lvl and gain power. <-- IMO only --> too many people are rushed threw these games and have NO IDEA how to truly play there classes. What happened to the whole game and not just rushing to end lvl and then the game starts. These games need tu put In lvl based situations where If you skip these situations, zones, instances, battles you'll miss out on endgame power and gimp yourself. So go ahead and rush to the end lvl you'll end up sucking. All these new games promote rushing to end lvl.

Taryth 05-03-2011 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Smyd (Post 281736)
Come tank an Expert Tier 2 dungeon in rift and tell me it's still easy.
Ignorant, cookie-cutter posts such as these annoy the crap out of me... how about you first play games you ridicule and form your own opinion, before you copy/paste everyone else's like a worthless sheep.

Ok . . .so content at the VERY END of the game is difficult . . .wait a sec, you mean just like WoW and EQ2? Did you think the endgame dungeons/raiding were super easy for those games, too? And guess what people call those two games?

The entire game up to lvl 50 is grinding quests that tell you EXACTLY where to go. They highlight your map. You are handed gear almost every other quest. The game isn't anything before 50, and then at 50 it manages to simply be more guided grinding along a single path of progression.
That is the definition of an easy, lame ass, shallow game.

I played from b1-b7, that was all the "preview" (read: playing everything except endgame) I needed to form my opinion.


But go ahead and assume I haven't played it yet. Because it's just so good that nobody can dislike it, right? I'm not paying $50 to find out that I don't like the last level of the game (ok, I'm sorry, the last FOUR levels . . .I didn't include the other three because they'd be exactly the same as the first 46.) I don't even like raiding, which is why I never focus on endgame as a measurement of a game's quality.


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