Originally Posted by Ripqozko (Post 3174609)

Yall are farming content thats already been beaten 5 years ago. No one cares, hope that helps.

Originally Posted by SantagarBrax (Post 3174611)

Someone cares, obviously, otherwise the the GM's wouldn't be in the UN trying to force handouts to guilds that can't or won't compete with a model that they came up with.

Whining leads to appeasement, appeasement leads to capitulation, and we're all left with a shittier experience from it.

Originally Posted by SantagarBrax (Post 3174598)

Riot leadership makes an effort to play by the rules and offers concessions when we screw up, without fail and without stalling.

They also don't go for certain targets to allow other guilds breaking into tov to have opportunities. All it takes is leadership from another guild, which doesn't train the hell out of Riot all the time, to ping leadership in Riot and agreements are made or targets ignored for the sake of that other guild to have some enjoyment. The overwhelming majority of Riot are completely acceptable to this.

If there is even the slightest hint of impropriety, Riot concedes the target and moves on.

How about GM's make a new rule that Riot splits all loot with the petitionfest whiner guilds that actually do the things Riot is accused of?

Will that sate your inability to compete and stop this madness?

ToV competitive clearing is fun and much more enjoyable to a stupid "FTE OURS" login and logout game.

Originally Posted by SantagarBrax (Post 3174598)

Riot leadership makes an effort to play by the rules and offers concessions when we screw up, without fail and without stalling.

They also don't go for certain targets to allow other guilds breaking into tov to have opportunities. All it takes is leadership from another guild, which doesn't train the hell out of Riot all the time, to ping leadership in Riot and agreements are made or targets ignored for the sake of that other guild to have some enjoyment. The overwhelming majority of Riot are completely acceptable to this.

If there is even the slightest hint of impropriety, Riot concedes the target and moves on.

How about GM's make a new rule that Riot splits all loot with the petitionfest whiner guilds that actually do the things Riot is accused of?

Will that sate your inability to compete and stop this madness?

ToV competitive clearing is fun and much more enjoyable to a stupid "FTE OURS" login and logout game.

Originally Posted by Twochain (Post 3174597)

Okay what's your point? Technicality vs Cheating. Hopefully you guys practice your racing with these two freebies.

Originally Posted by Bagavan (Post 3174420)

Why would there be concessions when these new raid rules were never posted? Also, the new raid changes that were discussed in this underground chat never said anything about pull assists going past the line after a spawn right? Confused what the issue is here. I'm guessing Riot leveraged a "conceded" Statue they never actually had FTE on for some King Tormaxs?

Originally Posted by Twochain (Post 3174597)

Okay what's your point? Technicality vs Cheating.