Racial hide is too successful
 

I don't have proof yet but I wanted to mention that the success rate of racial hide seems much too high. I'll try to look into past discussions and find supporting evidence.

I'm playing a Dark Elf Enchanter and I use Hide to break charm regularly or in other situations. It seems to work about 4/5 times which seems to be way too successful. In my memory of classic racial hide seemed to regularly take 10-20 attempts to get it to work. It was almost useless except as a way to "perma" invis for AFK, etc.

I think this may actually be a more wide spread problem with skills and low skill rates in general. It seems like a lot of skills with only 20-30 points work as well as the same skill with 100+ points. Not all of them but many like channeling, hide, and sneak.

Similar to my other recent bug report on Enchanter mez this also directly ties into making DE Enchanters more powerful than they should be.

Should've found some of that before making the post.

Can't non DE enchanters just use a clicky invis item to unpet themselves?

Mine fails quite a bit maybe you're just lucky.

Don't really use it on my dark elves but I do on my halfling druid with the same skill cap (50).

Seems to work about 1/3 of the time. Your 4 out of 5 seems extremely high to me. No way nearly reliable enough to use for charmbreaking, you want a goblin ring.

In my memory it worked this way. I have evidence, do you?

I definitely don't get the 4/5 you are. 50% at best. It's not hard to experiment to find the probability, though. The CD is only what, 10 seconds?

Putting together some basic data. I did 20 hide attempts and 13/20 were successful so a rough indication of 50% success but of course very little data. Interestingly I just did another 20 attempts and got the same 13/20 success rate. So it seems you're slightly more likely to succeed using racial hide than not.

I also find this interesting because channeling, which was shown to be too powerful, had a similar 70% success rate after tons of testing with only 1 skill point at level 1. At 13/20 for hide that is 65%. Is it possible all skills if they have a single point start at ~70% success rate? Feign death would be a good test as it was notoriously unreliable at low skill.

I found some quotes from old EQ sites where people mentioned the 50 skill cap on either sneak or hide made it worthless but obviously not proof or exact statements on success rate.

Post these quotes with links and make sure they are in time frame with our current time line.

Mend was the one that critical failed and killed you at low level.

Interesting to see what base for mend is.

I've been leveling a monk, didn't start to see mend even work until 30-40 skill. I'm now up to 67 and I'd say its like 5-6 out of 10. I also use sneak a lot to do faction work (iksar monk) and at 60 skill it is still around 50% if I'm lucky. At low skill (20-30) I would run into streaks where I would get like 12 successful sneaks in a row but then bomb out for 20 failures in a row so it wasn't like it was reliable at all and most of the time it was at least 4 fails to get a success.

Maybe there is a difference with racial skills but I'm not getting anything like OP so his guess about all skills being too good at level 20-30 points is easily proved wrong. Also running a test with 20 data points is pretty much garbage, get at least 100 to even show that something might need looked at. We all know this game can be super streaky, maybe you have something with racial skills but at least get some good data going and then back that up with in era evidence saying what you are seeing isn't the way it was on live.

I played a rogue on live and 50% at lvl 8-10 sounds about right to me but who cares about what I remember right?