Well, it can matter though. If the baker was Muslim, and I said I want him to bake me a cake of the prophet Mohammad fucking a pig, he is absolutely within his rights to refuse to bake that for me. And as long as it is not due to my race, sexuality, religion etc, I would lose any ensuing lawsuit

Masterpiece Round Two: CAKE FIGHT!

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It is interesting, I’ve been watching a lot of videos about court cases, and what seems to be a prevailing theme in both what is deemed legal/illegal and what a court rules on is reasonableness

For the court to side with the gay couple, they probably had a request for just them side by side on the cake or something. If their request was unreasonable, or would have been seen as unreasonable by the court, they might have lost their lawsuit. For example, if they asked for a cake of them sodomizing each other, with the headline “Christianity is a sham” or something that could be seen as completely obscene and blasphemous to a Christian baker, that baker might have been legally allowed to refuse

Just like if a gay person came in a store and was immediately belligerent, cussing out the other customers and insulting the store owner, I don’t think they would win a discrimination case if the store owner kicked them out and refused to serve them afterwards

It’s all about what a court would see as reasonable or not

Why? Just what are you planning??? :eek:

you guys change partners with section 230 more than square dancers.

Lol, I just been binge watching this channel mostly https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3RHCyklH6zk

I now know a lot more about individual constitutional rights, court case law, and what police are and are not allowed to do

For example, I learned simply remaining silent is not a legal option to avoid incriminating oneself, since it on its own does not do enough to alleviate suspicion of criminal activity. The person must say out loud or mention in some way that they are invoking their 5th amendment right or that they are choosing to remain silent. Also, police are allowed to ask questions, but in many circumstances, people are not under any legal obligation to answer or even to identify themselves to police. This is unless the police can provide articulable evidence the person is committing or has committed a crime

Also, some people are just complete dicks to police on camera on purpose. Like, professionally. They call themselves “first amendment auditors”. They’re not common, but they are out there

Edit: I also learned that the term “fighting words”, is actually a legal term, and is considered a form of unprotected speech

How did the cake get a gender identity?

Also iirc the first case had some message or flag on it... it wasn't just a cake it was speech.

If I'm a website or publisher. I'm not obligated to let u post anything. For any reason. Especially if I'm a private entity. (People don't exist anymore).

That lady looks like a mega twat. Can I plz refuse to bake a cake with her ugly energy vibes plastard all over it? On the grounds that it's way toooo hard to ice a hate cake?

You can refuse to provide a service to anyone as a private business owner. You just can’t SAY it’s because of their race, sexuality, religion, etc. But you can still do it for these reasons, if you can provide another reason that a court would find as reasonable. For example, you could say “I’m refusing to bake you a cake because I don’t like your personality”. Of course that might be hard to prove that’s it’s not because the person is gay. It’s all about what you can prove to a court. And courts are all about what is considered reasonable to the average person

If sex-related discrimination still seems like the most reasonable motive, you might still lose in court

Your honor, she really, really, creeps me out, and I don't like her cake design, especially right now while I am super, like uncomfortable. I want her to go away and mind her own business so I could feel safe again. I rest my case.

Also antidiscrimination laws or civil rights or w/e should only constrain, restrain government entities. I'm a hardcore conservative there tho.

I remember hearing about a baker who refused to bake a cake for the name Adolf Hitler, and I believe was allowed to refuse. They complained to a supervisor and the supervisor told them basically to piss off

I remember being amazed that someone could even legally name their kid Hitler. Their other kid was named Aryan Nation too. You know their childhoods are gonna be fucked

https://www.nj.com/news/2008/12/chil...lf_hitler.html

Now I’m wondering could you name your kid Satan? I coulda swore there were names that were legally off limits

Edit: If I had a daughter I mentioned before I was considering the name Slutwagon