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Jibartik 07-17-2022 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by robayon (Post 3481986)
i didn't intend for this information to be an opportunity for someone to say "this was all predicted!" but "what are you gonna do it about"

i mean, if you want the apocalypse, all you have to do is wait, apparently.

lets do some science experiment to save them with some kind of invasive red colored bacteria that replicates at an exponential rate or something!

Danth 07-17-2022 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Reiwa (Post 3481925)
Gas tax is for road maintenance. EV owners don't pay it.

It's a trick to get you onboard with taxing mileage, starting with them.

Worse, the large majority of such efforts also seek to not merely read odometers, but typically also want to install tracking devices into most roadgoing vehicles including those which don't already have them. You should trust that bunch like you trust a bucket of scorpions. Their intentions are neither honest nor altruistic.

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The oceans represent a tragedy of the commons situation in realtime. Pollution and trash (especially plastic) has been a major problem for a long time and nobody cares because the public has the attention span of a gnat and outrage moved onto trendier things.

Danth

Reiwa 07-18-2022 12:11 PM

Technical note, imgflip uh images do fit in the [img] tags

https://i.imgflip.com/4d62gy.jpg

Horza 07-18-2022 02:21 PM

Greenwald, nooooo.

https://i.imgur.com/6AGsB73.jpg

MrSparkle001 07-18-2022 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Danth (Post 3482017)
Worse, the large majority of such efforts also seek to not merely read odometers, but typically also want to install tracking devices into most roadgoing vehicles including those which don't already have them. You should trust that bunch like you trust a bucket of scorpions. Their intentions are neither honest nor altruistic.

I've been saying for two years now that as EVs get more and more popular there will be talk of installing mileage meters and moving away from a gas tax to a mileage tax, and getting a tax bill in the mail from it.

Pains me to say this but it does make sense. The more you drive the more tax you'll pay, just like the more gas you use the more tax you pay.

Reiwa 07-18-2022 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 (Post 3482276)
I've been saying for two years now that as EVs get more and more popular there will be talk of installing mileage meters and moving away from a gas tax to a mileage tax, and getting a tax bill in the mail from it.

Pains me to say this but it does make sense. The more you drive the more tax you'll pay, just like the more gas you use the more tax you pay.

I dunno if that made it into the final version.

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What has been proposed is a pilot program that would study the mechanics of such a tax, said Andy Winkler, director of infrastructure projects at the Bipartisan Policy Center.

That program — a “National motor vehicle per-mile user fee pilot” — is included in the infrastructure package still before Congress.

“It is not a tax, it is not on everybody and it is voluntary,” Winkler said.

The idea, he said, is that volunteers with passenger and commercial vehicles across the country would participate in the program that would provide insights into how such a per-mile fee could be collected. Such a tax has been weighed as a potential replacement for the gas tax, he said.


MrSparkle001 07-18-2022 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reiwa (Post 3482283)

Give it 10-15 years when EVs are the most popular vehicles on the road and it will be.

Danth 07-18-2022 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 (Post 3482276)
I've been saying for two years now that as EVs get more and more popular there will be talk of installing mileage meters and moving away from a gas tax to a mileage tax, and getting a tax bill in the mail from it.

Pains me to say this but it does make sense. The more you drive the more tax you'll pay, just like the more gas you use the more tax you pay.

Such talk is how you know their motives are a something of a false front, a way to get their foot in the door--Already have a mileage meter in any car built in our lifetimes, it's called an odometer.

I dislike usage-based taxes for roads in general--really basic infrastructure should be funded out of the general budget because all of society benefits from it, not just vehicle owners. However, that argument was lost when the first fuel taxes were passed and our chance to fix that mistake is likely going to lose as well because Uncle Sam won't willingly give up a chance to suck more money out of people. That being said I can tolerate it. I can live with it if they a) repeal fuel tax (no double-dipping) and b) do it by having the BMV eyeball your odometer when you get your renewal. Necessary staff and offices are already in place to do it, even! Problem is what they quite often try to package with it. I am not okay with them using such as an excuse to engage in ever-greater tracking. Like I said, I trust their motives like I trust those of a scorpion. The progression of technology (in this case horses to powered vehicles and now to electrics) was not supposed to invalidate basic liberties like the ability to travel without being under the constant eye of Big Brother.

Danth

robayon 07-18-2022 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Reiwa (Post 3482283)

lets hope it just murders the car itself and forces a lot of american cities to use more mass transit and bicycles, as that would be several sets of birds with one stone... like physical fitness and pollution and less power for car manufacturers

(lol yeah right)

Reiwa 07-18-2022 06:18 PM

shamelessly stolen from the neolibs
 
Gazprom declares force majeure over Europe


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