Originally Posted by Videri (Post 3387143)

This is inaccurate. I was in <Friends> for a period of time (I love those people tbh), and they refused to recruit. I kept meeting people and people kept reaching out to me because I was, like, the nice guy; and Salem et al said a big fat NO to every single person. Obviously, this had consequences. Anytime we had an even-numbers fight, more Emp would port in and we'd start plugging.

Originally Posted by Videri (Post 3387143)

This is inaccurate. I was in <Friends> for a period of time (I love those people tbh), and they refused to recruit. I kept meeting people and people kept reaching out to me because I was, like, the nice guy; and Salem et al said a big fat NO to every single person. Obviously, this had consequences. Anytime we had an even-numbers fight, more Emp would port in and we'd start plugging.

Originally Posted by Bbeta (Post 3387307)

Not who but what, autism. Autism drove TMO off red, TMO was filled with a bunch of cool bros who were looking for a good time and a new challenge. Your autistic behaviors drove off good leadership and good bros.

TMO was the last best thing that happened to Red, you burgers wish we were there stomping around

Originally Posted by Disease (Post 3387328)

What about the people Tmo drove off red? You guys got curb stomped in two months and ran off.

Originally Posted by Bbeta (Post 3387307)

Not who but what, autism. Autism drove TMO off red, TMO was filled with a bunch of cool bros who were looking for a good time and a new challenge. Your autistic behaviors drove off good leadership and good bros.

TMO was the last best thing that happened to Red, you burgers wish we were there stomping around

Originally Posted by Cwall 146.0 (Post 3386636)

I'd say the average Friends player was better than the average Empire player, simply because Empire was bloated with horrible players. Empire, however, had far more great players than Friends did. Friends had like 5 good players, whereas Empire had like 20. This was evident in pretty much the only even numbers fight our two guilds ever had at Phara Dar shortly after Velious released; Friends had several waves of alts camped out and a position advantage, and we still mopped the floor with Friends.

The only guild I recall ever refusing to recruit was Azrael post-Nihilum-disband. Friends absolutely recruited people, but Empire outpaced them so hard in new recruit interest.

Friends' biggest problem was the culture of selfish and ego protecting playstyle. A vast majority of the guild played killshot characters with high protection against getting yellowtexted (wizards, shadowknights), but barely anyone played support. Very few players were willing to risk getting yellowtexted to do big things. Salem was one of the only players with a spine in that guild, but he fizzled out pretty hard as soon as Velious released.