But…none of the NATO countries are fighting in Ukraine. That’s why you sound so insane. Literally only Ukraine and russia are fighting. It’s not analogous in any way lol

Jib right now you're saying you think we are being lied to about Ukraine.

I'm curious what the lies area, and what facts there are?

Like, you think Russia was really feeling threatened by neo nazi's in Ukraine?

Or what?

Its a very different situation than USA going balls deep into a war after way too long (for us) of peace time.

I mean if you’d like to know why I voted for Obama and all the others I’m happy to go through my reasoning at the time for each choice (although I already did that for trump and Biden a bit)

I want to believe

US has enough domestic supply to be completely self sufficient and supply our allies in Europe but Global Warming or something so many Ukrainians have to die for the leftist cult cause

I know! They are getting the ukrainians to die for them, this is why I am upset!!!!

Just another war for oil. This time in Europe.

Biden's war and he a dem so his shills all in on the bloodshed

Same great products you trust, now with higher prices!

I thought you guys didn't like vandalism? :p

Well ive said it.

You're being lied to about the reason the fighting is happening, sure people want their freedom, but THEY are lied to about what will happen to them if they joined the russian federation, or didnt join nato.

Like, they are fighting for their freedom, why does there freedom and joining natio have to be 1:1? Why cant, infact, wont they be MORE valuble and wealthy, if they can act as a middle man between Nato and the russians? YES OF COURSE, but for some reason they want to join nato, WHY!? Because theyre being lied to by NATO! Theyre being used as pawns in their war with russia.

That's the lie.

Here's more dubious stuff:

Lockeed martin stock goe sup 200$ over this. "proud of all the opportunities nato will proved us in the future" literally said that! TO BIDEN! TWO MONTHS AGO!

F35 DEAL TODAY TO NATO!!!!!

The lies are, nato is less powerful, if there is a russian federation, nato does not want that, your goverment, and all the other western governments all want nato to be strong, because if it is, then our goverment can offer then more money.

This is an op to make western military and western global trade corperations and markets STRONGER, it empowers and makes the wealthy UBER WEALTHY, we are seizing their competition, and shutting down their markets.

This is a threat to every country in the middle east, this is a threat to china, this is a threat to anyone who does not love and follow america.

Do I think russia felt threatened? I think they have a sense of kinship with the ukraine, and feel that it should be a part of their family. When you read about black people in america, DO YOU NOT THINK THEY ARE BEING OPPRESSED? do you seriously think the conservative half of russia doesnt feel that way about donboss?

Do you know about the different political coups and factions there are in ukraine? Do you relaly believe that anyone who says there is an actual HARD CORE problem with white nationalism in ukraine is propaganda? Do you think that america has that problem, but ukraine doesnt have it worse?!

AT BEST we will have america enshrined as an unstoppable KING of the world.

Ukraine will either join us, or die. By russias hands, or the civil war that follows.

This is 1:1 afghanastan in 1990, the exact same fucking thing. We armed the taliban, and gave them afghanastan, we didnt pick up the pieces, like we wont in the ukraine, and it resulted in 9.11...

imagine if a neo nazi armed group does that in Ukraine and had that same success? You think Russia wouldn't go to war with them again? And again and again and again?!

The left is not thinking this through, and acting on passion.

Exactly like Iraq. Exactly like Afghanistan. Exactly like Vietnam. This is no different.

Anyone who is pro war now is going to have to say, "well I just didnt know what I was thinking at the time"