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cd288 03-15-2022 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jibartik (Post 3435549)
I know! They are getting the ukrainians to die for them, this is why I am upset!!!!

So you want us to go in there with our military and fight russia instead?

Jibartik 03-15-2022 06:37 PM

No i think its too late.

I think what Im seeing now, is making me blieve that russia will never give up.

This may sound crazy to your "never give up warrior" spirit, but I think we need to admit that WE underestemated PUTIN and RUSSIA as a whole's will, and tenacity.. And we need to take a step back, re-asses, and come to some sort of an agreement.

The question I have for you is, what do we do if in 2 months we're looking at 1 million dead ukrainans and basically a half red ukrainian map?

cd288 03-15-2022 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jibartik (Post 3435564)
No i think its too late.

I think what Im seeing now, is making me blieve that russia will never give up.

This may sound crazy to your "never give up warrior" spirit, but I think we need to admit that WE underestemated PUTIN and RUSSIA as a whole's will, and tenacity.. And we need to take a step back, re-asses, and come to some sort of an agreement.

The question I have for you is, what do we do if in 2 months we're looking at 1 million dead ukrainans and basically a half red ukrainian map?

Ok so are you saying that we should have been willing to step in militarily early and put a stop to this? As in like deploying a ton of troops over there as a deterrent? Also I never said we didn’t underestimate russia, I’m not sure why you keep putting all these words and thoughts onto me that I literally never once expressed.

I mean I think we’re not going to do anything once russia takes over Ukraine completely. We’ll keep sanctions in place and in the meantime I think you’ll see countries like Sweden etc requesting to join NATO. And then I think nothing further will happen because I don’t think Putin will actually attack a NATO country. That’s the whole reason he didn’t want Ukraine to join NATO, he knows he can never win if he actually attacks NATO

Elizondo 03-15-2022 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cd288 (Post 3435568)
Ok so are you saying that we should have been willing to step in militarily early and put a stop to this? As in like deploying a ton of troops over there as a deterrent?

Trump didn't need to do any of that and Putin didn't invade when he was Prez ....

Strong leadership is a deterrent. Biden weak and pathetic so Pudding made his move.

Jibartik 03-15-2022 07:03 PM

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Ok so are you saying that we should have been willing to step in militarily early and put a stop to this?
yeah, I believe that the reason it didn't happen 3 years ago was because like most Americans, Putin thought trump was totally unhinged and crazy and would drop the full force of the American military just for the Viagra effect.

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As in like deploying a ton of troops over there as a deterrent? Also I never said we didn’t underestimate Russia, I’m not sure why you keep putting all these words and thoughts onto me that I literally never once expressed.
When they brought the blood to the border, Biden was telling people to get out.

He should have said, "If you brought blood to the border, that was both your first mistake and the only thing you'll have done right. Because you're gonna need it now." And moved every god damn troop available to the other borders. Yea.

I would have called him reckless, and said he was threatening world war. But guess who would have also thought that? Putin. Cus deep down he's a bitch. That's why it's been TWENTY YEARS for him to have the gall to try to pull this shit off. The guy is a bitch boy!!!!! (The left gives him more credit than Tucker! Think about it, they made it seem like he orchestrated a completely stolen election, without even so much as leaving a trace he is THAT GOOD! lol smh)

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I mean I think we’re not going to do anything once russia takes over Ukraine completely.
Yep, I agree 100% and I think because we encouraged the Ukrainians to fight back, they will until the bitter end. Thus, we will have accidentally crated a genocide when the last Russian battalion, kills the last Ukrainian standing. (this is my greatest fear)

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We’ll keep sanctions in place and in the meantime I think you’ll see countries like Sweden etc requesting to join NATO
Yes true, but you will also see China creating a stronger economy in the east, one you could borrow from that wont threaten to sanction you if you dont listen to America. Pretty attractive to half or more than half of the world...

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And then I think nothing further will happen because I don’t think Putin will actually attack a NATO country.
yep, they will show the world that the west was unstable, that Russia is both strong but rational, and that people should buy Chinese treasury bonds instead of ours.

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That’s the whole reason he didn’t want Ukraine to join NATO, he knows he can never win if he actually attacks NATO
And now he wont have to. Losing ukraine to russia, will not make NATO stronger.

Elizondo 03-15-2022 07:26 PM

Suddenly that 30 trillion in debt looks like a massive house of cards about to go tumbling down

If the Petrodollar collapses cuz of Biden's failed leadership we're in a world of pain. Current flation and gas prices will seem like sunshine and rainbows compared to what they will become

Lefties so stupid they will still demand we go green and all buy Teslas. They literally that brainwashed and stupid.

Jibartik 03-15-2022 07:35 PM

https://youtu.be/wfvMXIIh8sQ

https://i.imgur.com/C87xx6T.jpg?fb

BlackBellamy 03-15-2022 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jibartik (Post 3435564)
The question I have for you is, what do we do if in 2 months we're looking at 1 million dead ukrainans and basically a half red ukrainian map?

Keep fighting you coward! Comrade Stalin demands all troops fight to the utmost against the invaders! Deserters will be shot!

That's what you do. You fucking put your head down until the shelling stops and you charge the enemy screaming hurraaaaah hurraaaaah! You close in and you kill and you keep spraying until they're all dead and then you reload and go looking for more! And if you should be hit, fall at the enemy clutching a grenade in your hand and yell out For Socialism and Mother Russia!

When the Russians did it it in 1942 they were called heroes! They lost city after city, Kiev, Odessa, Minsk, Mariupol, Rostov, all shelled and burned, civilians killed and terrorized, the Red Army pounded and pounded. Millions dead. The Germans got to Stalingrad and everyone knows what happened there. A Glorious and Heroic Sacrifice stopped them cold. Very cold.

Russia saved Europe from Germany at terrible cost and they were lauded by the world for their effort, courage and heroism, the despicable ideology of their country notwithstanding, because they were willing to pay the cost. They didn't want to live as Nazi slaves. It's perfectly understandable that the Ukrainians don't want to live as Russian slaves. And they are also willing to pay the cost.

How much are they willing to pay I don't know. Russia lost 27 million out of 195 or 14% of their population in WW2. So Ukraine can afford to lose 6 million give or take if you want to put a number on it.

Jibartik 03-15-2022 07:47 PM

Ok so if 6 million dead, and the fighting is not goin to end, they are going to hit 12 million the year after, keep going? When do you stop?

Or do we go into world war at the 6 million mark? Because WRONG I'm not going to world war, I'd civil war before that (At least be open to the idea).

cd288 03-15-2022 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizondo (Post 3435571)
Trump didn't need to do any of that and Putin didn't invade when he was Prez ....

Strong leadership is a deterrent. Biden weak and pathetic so Pudding made his move.

Sorry man the adults are speaking. Go sit back down at the kids table and play with your coloring book or something


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