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starkind 03-16-2022 08:52 AM

4 Reiwa

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Gustoo 03-16-2022 12:48 PM

Musk Tusk Bucks just in time for new world order https://spacex-protocol-token.us/?fb...SWMOx9h0N6rJuA

Horza 03-16-2022 04:23 PM

Russia implemented counter-sanctions against U.S. figures in response to our sanctions and the list includes only Democratic politicians and members of Democratic administrations.

lol

Gustoo 03-16-2022 04:26 PM

Source for that? Sounds hilarious

Horza 03-16-2022 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustoo (Post 3435942)
Source for that? Sounds hilarious

According to a statement issued by the Russian Foreign Ministry, the government is adding the following individuals to a "stop list," barring them from entering Russia: Biden, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley, Biden national security adviser Jake Sullivan, CIA Director William Burns, White House press secretary Jen Psaki, deputy national security adviser Daleep Singh, USAID Director Samantha Power, Deputy Secretary of the Treasury Adewale Adeyemo, and U.S. Export-Import Bank President Reta Jo Lewis.

The "stop list" also includes other non-governmental individuals, including the President's son, Hunter Biden, and former U.S. presidential candidate and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Gustoo 03-16-2022 04:50 PM

Seems like a PR play since none of those leading democrats are considering setting foot in russia right now. The exclusion of republicans is obvious and intentional but also they aren't currently in the white house. It's good rage-bait though (look how republicans are so friendly with russia they don't even get banned from entering!) which is exactly the kinda shit russia wants to do to USA, make us hate eachother.

unsunghero 03-16-2022 05:14 PM

Ha ha, I can still go to Russia. Nya na nya na na!

BlackBellamy 03-16-2022 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reiwa (Post 3435686)

Those guys were wrong too.

The failure to deter Russia from attacking the Ukraine is a result of multiple failures across a wide spectrum of administrations since the early 90s.

We attacked Iraq because the neocons. Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld et al.

We attacked Iraq exactly like Russia attacked the Ukraine.

Quote:

definition of ‘imminent threat’ was adapted by neoconservatives in the NSS, arguing that because Saddam Hussein was not deterrable, it was inevitable that Iraq posed a threat to US security. Therefore, the US had a legitimate case to use pre-emptive force against Iraq.
https://www.e-ir.info/2015/09/17/the...e-perspective/

We lied to everyone about WMDs just like the Russians lied about Ukrainian nuclear ambitions. We lied about terrorists being there just like the Russians are lying about the Nazis. We lied that the Iraqis were going to welcome us with open arms and so...yeah.

We invaded their country for no reason, we killed a ton of people, we definitely blew up schools and hospitals and shit. Imagine the Iraqi people wandering around their blown up buildings, their towns destroyed all because 'insurgents' were there. The entire city of Fallujah was a 'valid' military target. No tall apartment blocks smoking in slow motion from a drone and the dead babies were all the wrong color and far away and man our brave boys were taking a lot of fire so we had to call in the precision-not-so-precise love from the sky. Later we're all like hey all you shell-shocked civilians it's cool now, we killed your leaders and also the soldiers, so your sons we guess, destroyed your houses and a lot of other stuff, put in our puppet government and also we're in charge of your oil. Have a great day, you are free!

The neocons did that. I'm not saying we shouldn't be aggressive towards Russia, but we shouldn't be taking specific advice from people who seem to be gloating about how right they were when they are still dripping blood from their own abattoir.

There's a happy medium I'm sure. Somewhere between the feckless and spineless liberals and the warmongering neocons is a group that can destroy all the evil in the world while keeping us pure. Maybe Zac Snyder's Extended Cut Justice League idk.

Reiwa 03-16-2022 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy (Post 3436005)
Those guys were wrong too.

The failure to deter Russia from attacking the Ukraine is a result of multiple failures across a wide spectrum of administrations since the early 90s.

We attacked Iraq because the neocons. Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld et al.

We attacked Iraq exactly like Russia attacked the Ukraine.



https://www.e-ir.info/2015/09/17/the...e-perspective/

We lied to everyone about WMDs just like the Russians lied about Ukrainian nuclear ambitions. We lied about terrorists being there just like the Russians are lying about the Nazis. We lied that the Iraqis were going to welcome us with open arms and so...yeah.

We invaded their country for no reason, we killed a ton of people, we definitely blew up schools and hospitals and shit. Imagine the Iraqi people wandering around their blown up buildings, their towns destroyed all because 'insurgents' were there. The entire city of Fallujah was a 'valid' military target. No tall apartment blocks smoking in slow motion from a drone and the dead babies were all the wrong color and far away and man our brave boys were taking a lot of fire so we had to call in the precision-not-so-precise love from the sky. Later we're all like hey all you shell-shocked civilians it's cool now, we killed your leaders and also the soldiers, so your sons we guess, destroyed your houses and a lot of other stuff, put in our puppet government and also we're in charge of your oil. Have a great day, you are free!

The neocons did that. I'm not saying we shouldn't be aggressive towards Russia, but we shouldn't be taking specific advice from people who seem to be gloating about how right they were when they are still dripping blood from their own abattoir.

There's a happy medium I'm sure. Somewhere between the feckless and spineless liberals and the warmongering neocons is a group that can destroy all the evil in the world while keeping us pure. Maybe Zac Snyder's Extended Cut Justice League idk.

Depends if you think Baathists or Azovs are the real Nazis.

Hint: it's both

starkind 03-16-2022 11:17 PM

Big update

Carefully curated, easy-to-read Ukraine updates with sources, for people lacking time but wanting to be informed. https://imgur.com/gallery/24k4V7w

The heck with syndicated news (ya I know that the sourcing is syndicated news at least I don't need to try to read their shit articles and feckless media)


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