Ok Groomer

what if all the sanctions make them desperate enough to sell some nukes

that was the plot of MacGruber i think

which is totally appropriate

Of course it is more difficult. But the point is Russia has tried to portray themselves as this super powerful country and military. Yet they can’t even manage to make much progress in Ukraine, a country on their own border.

Your argument would be more applicable if Russia conquered Ukraine but took quite a long time to do so. “War is hard” isn’t really an argument Russia can make after trying to act like a major world power for decades and barely being able to make inroads into the territory of a country right next to it.

Also, I wouldn’t say that an evacuation of US military personnel going poorly is really a relevant example.

The USA tries to portray themselves as better than that after 20 years of a failed invasion of Afghanistan, 1 million deaths as a result of it, and as bad of an evacuation as their invasion.

Youll know Im right when in 3 years putin is still president of Russia and we all go back to normal like this never happened.

Kim Il-sung is still President of DPRK :p

When did I say Putin wouldn’t be president of Russia? As usual you just put words in peoples’ mouths lol

I didnt say you said that, im saying that's going to be a sign you can use as an example that my point above is proven correct.

No, no it wasn't a failed invasion. That part went fine. The military part was great. What failed was the nation-building. The intention was always to leave after turning it over to a functional and effective central government. The military was always like ok let's get out of here and the State Dept. was like no these guys aren't ready yet because we're bumbling fools. And finally everyone was sick and tired of it and the State guys wanted to stop being blamed for everything so they were like oh these guys are good to go now let's pull out. And the military did their own assessment and they found out that State was basically lying, that nothing was organized. So they tried to warn people as late as July 29th but the Taliban took over two weeks later on August 15th.

To recap: Invasion sound, cheers all around! Politicians and bureaucrats lied, many people died.

with mixed results on the successful invasion part, this is a recap of American foreign policy in many countries since world war dos

and why my criticism isn't limited to just those goons in the military

I agree here.