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starkind 04-15-2022 08:39 AM

So at what point do regional leaders just break with Moscow and the Kremlin and form their own alliance ignoring that Putin even exists anymore, just leaving him to rot in his bunker cut off from the world?

Patriam1066 04-15-2022 03:45 PM

That’s pretty much what Finland and Sweden are about to do when they join NATO. Poor midget Vlad got stepped on

BlackBellamy 04-18-2022 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Patriam1066 (Post 3446670)
Didn’t Ukraine have a lot of the missile building infrastructure of the Soviet Union? Man Putin is dumb

I do like that the missile is called “Neptune” though

The Ukrainians have turned the old Luch Design Bureau from the Soviet Union days into a modern arms maker.

Besides the Neptune, they had considerable success with the Stugna-P anti-armor system, which in terms of operator survivability is the best system of that type in the world right now because it allows the operator to engage from a different position than the launcher thus not being exposed to any return fire.

Look at that thing. So sleek, so beautiful, so deadly.

https://i.imgur.com/WWR8zsn.jpg

...and the proof is in the pudding:

https://i.imgur.com/DfhIoUQ.jpg

MrSparkle001 04-18-2022 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Reiwa (Post 3446671)
I reckon that if war technology has progressed to the point that tiny Ukraine can resist and overcome vast Russia then Christ's work is already completed or will be very soon.

Maybe keep sending dollars for awhile until we're sure. ✌️

I think they're only resisting and overcoming because Russia isn't out to flatten the country.

Not that I think their military is competent but if they were unleashed to cause total destruction it would be a different story. They're obviously not well trained or equipped to handle these urban engagements and in my opinion are holding back their true might...and I'm not talking nukes.

We saw the same kind of thing when they were in Afghanistan. They either have to commit fully and bring the full might of their military to bear or they suffer. They're not an urban warfare and occupation military. They don't know how to do it.

Putin put himself in an unwinnable situation. If he unleashed his military to utterly decimate Ukraine and it's forces the world would have reacted a lot more strongly, and if he instead chooses urban warfare and occupation while trying to keep the destruction minimized he faces a Ukraine that will resist him and fight back for years, maybe even for generations. The Russian military is obviously not capable of that. They weren't capable of it 30 years ago and they're even less capable now.

What a dumbass he is.

Jibartik 04-18-2022 11:13 AM

Why we dont need NATO:

https://i.imgur.com/WIrvg5R.png

https://i.imgur.com/nJ66nAR.png

https://i.imgur.com/DhSLmHK.png

Money sent to Directly to Ukraine to fight russia: 15 billion (1 month)

https://i.imgur.com/gSsAB4s.png

Not to mention:

Money sent to directly Ukraine for national development: (1-3 billion a year.)


NATO has not done ONE THING to stop this war. It has done ZERO. the war is stopped bedcause of american military technology.

imagine if we gave ukraine the NATO budget to defend themselves? Russia would be ukraine right now.

WE DONT NEED NATO we spend the same money with or without it on military, and a country NOT EVEN IN NATO has beaten russia in a full blown war.

Reiwa 04-18-2022 11:26 AM

Newsmail says the Azov's are trapped in a last stand at Mariupol metalworks...something about dumping water in the vents last week on social.

Jibartik 04-18-2022 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Reiwa (Post 3447883)
Newsmail says the Azov's are trapped in a last stand at Mariupol metalworks...something about dumping water in the vents last week on social.

Quote:

Ukrainian fighters are putting up a hellish last stand in tunnels under an abandoned Stalingrad-esque steel plant in Mariupol as Russian forces close in on the besieged port city.
that sounds like hell for sure

Gustoo 04-18-2022 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jibartik (Post 3447873)
Why we dont need NATO:

WE DONT NEED NATO

Why do you not like NATO?

We don't need anything. NATO is a treaty organization (it's in the name) that mandates its members to perform certain acts if certain other acts take place within certain areas.

Ya, we can spend money on weapons with or without NATO, no one ever wondered if that was possible.

Jibartik 04-18-2022 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gustoo (Post 3447905)
Why do you not like NATO?

We don't need anything. NATO is a treaty organization (it's in the name) that mandates its members to perform certain acts if certain other acts take place within certain areas.

Ya, we can spend money on weapons with or without NATO, no one ever wondered if that was possible.

because it's a redudant EU that funnels tax payer money into mega yachts and is a complete waste of money.

it doesnt matter, there wont be a nato in 10 years anyway weather we decide to keep it or not.

Not to mention what trump said: It doesnt make sense, were spending all this money to protect you from russia, and then you go and become energy dependant to russia, it doesnt make sense and we should call the whole thing off.

Patriam1066 04-18-2022 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jibartik (Post 3447873)
Why we dont need NATO:

https://i.imgur.com/WIrvg5R.png

https://i.imgur.com/nJ66nAR.png

https://i.imgur.com/DhSLmHK.png

Money sent to Directly to Ukraine to fight russia: 15 billion (1 month)

https://i.imgur.com/gSsAB4s.png

Not to mention:

Money sent to directly Ukraine for national development: (1-3 billion a year.)


NATO has not done ONE THING to stop this war. It has done ZERO. the war is stopped bedcause of american military technology.

imagine if we gave ukraine the NATO budget to defend themselves? Russia would be ukraine right now.

WE DONT NEED NATO we spend the same money with or without it on military, and a country NOT EVEN IN NATO has beaten russia in a full blown war.

Drugs


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