Originally Posted by BlackBellamy (Post 3447839)

The Ukrainians have turned the old Luch Design Bureau from the Soviet Union days into a modern arms maker.

Besides the Neptune, they had considerable success with the Stugna-P anti-armor system, which in terms of operator survivability is the best system of that type in the world right now because it allows the operator to engage from a different position than the launcher thus not being exposed to any return fire.

Look at that thing. So sleek, so beautiful, so deadly.

https://i.imgur.com/WWR8zsn.jpg

...and the proof is in the pudding:

https://i.imgur.com/DfhIoUQ.jpg

Originally Posted by Jibartik (Post 3447906)

because it's a redudant EU that funnels tax payer money into mega yachts and is a complete waste of money.

it doesnt matter, there wont be a nato in 10 years anyway weather we decide to keep it or not.

Not to mention what trump said: It doesnt make sense, were spending all this money to protect you from russia, and then you go and become energy dependant to russia, it doesnt make sense and we should call the whole thing off.

Originally Posted by Jimjam (Post 3447960)

You’re confusing me further - you seem to have described them as different things?

How is this redundancy then? As a European this diffusion of power is a good thing.

It keeps dodgy US standards out of Europe but still provides access to their military. It also stops the militarisation of the EU which is something many Europeans are against (and was a factor in Brexit).

Originally Posted by Reiwa (Post 3447965)

Imagine an alien species that refused to create weapons while you're conquering their planet.

That's Europe.

Originally Posted by Jimjam (Post 3447973)

Thats not really true at all?

Europe has a huge amount of weapon tech. It’s just devolved from EU and instead unified under NATO and UN so it can work well with the US and other countries.

Where are you from to have this perspective?