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aussenseiter 02-11-2023 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Trexller (Post 3571958)
yeah the krain's have all the old soviet tech, and russia hasn't really updated its gear and systems, so those S-300s can keep the skies clear.

info on full capabilites of S-400 is still unclear. "Stealth" aircraft aren't immune to radar, its a misnomer because it sounds cool.

They are a combination of systems, materials and tactics that make an aircraft "stealth"

stuff like radar absorption, radar reflection, aircraft characteristics, electromagnetic interference and flight profile altogether contribute to radar defeat, making a "stealth" aircraft.

So any anti-aircraft system reliant on high frequency radar to target an aircraft, is gonna have trouble with any of the 5th+ gen fighters.

unless the russians came up with some ground breaking new sensor tech, then the S-400 is just a faster version of the S-300, which I doubt, because the S-300 system kept generals awake at night back in the 80s, and since then every aircraft we developed has been "Stealth"

It said something about low-band radar so I googled it and found this

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/re...es-heel-158151

We going orcs vs humans again innit? Gimme my tin hat!

Jobaber 02-11-2023 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 (Post 3571477)
Putin launches nukes in defeat when?

Hmm if the dmeocrats are right about trump 2024 they are gonna make him start a civil war and then they can pound europe while we busy.

Kaveh 02-11-2023 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by aussenseiter (Post 3571953)
What about an s-400?

I chose 300 because Ukraine has those. So it's like a automatic no fly zone for shitty Russian aircraft.

Nah, Turkey bought s-400 and they are among the dumbest people alive

Trexller 02-11-2023 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by aussenseiter (Post 3571962)
It said something about low-band radar so I googled it and found this

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/re...es-heel-158151

We going orcs vs humans again innit? Gimme my tin hat!

yeah theoretically low frequency radar could target a plane, AFAIK the sensor tech that currently exists still just makes a giant blurry blotch on radar bc the waves return to the source too far apart to appear to be a clear lock. so the missile you fire will just fly itself to a large region of sky, not like a pinpointed location provided by high frequency radar

most AAs don't track a plane like a shooter does to a clay pigeon, it predicts where the plane is gonna be at a certain time, flies to that location and detonates to damage the plane with shrapnel.

the giant blurry blotch provided by low frequency rader could be dozens or hundreds of miles across, vastly reducing the chance of a kill shot

eventually someone will come up with a method to resolve a pinpoint target from low frequency radar of course, I figure with hypersonic tech being prevalent in news that stealth aircraft may not matter much longer, because if a missile is coming at you with speeds like 7,500 MPH, then tracking it on radar won't matter because by the time you know its there, it has already hit.

the attacker/defender pendulum has been swinging back and forth from the dawn of man and will continue until we wipe ourselves out.

Trexller 02-16-2023 09:44 PM

I just stumbled across a pretty good video that sums up anti-air radar vs. stealth jets

more specifically, the S-400 system vs. US stealth jets


Jobaber 02-19-2023 04:06 AM



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Ekco 02-19-2023 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Encroaching Death (Post 3571495)
It feels like this war should shit or get off the pot.

Only because I want to know who will win and I'm tired of thinking about it.

So please hurry up with your war because you guys are stressing me out.

Thank you.

it's due to weather apparently, unseasonably warm over there so muddy. shit gonna get real again soon don't worry

Ekco 02-19-2023 07:08 AM

actually worry, we should all worry honestly... fucking idiots in charge everywhere

Jobaber 02-19-2023 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ekco (Post 3576497)
actually worry, we should all worry honestly... fucking idiots in charge everywhere

Im sure this will all blow over, it's not like the USA is firing missiles at things it says are Chinese attacks.

Botten 02-19-2023 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jobaber (Post 3571969)
Hmm if the dmeocrats are right about trump 2024 they are gonna make him start a civil war and then they can pound europe while we busy.

Jib Trump doesn't have a chance at 2024. Remember GOP voters don't like losers.

Also

GOP is now slowly giving up the simp to Russia now that the money has dried up.

Top House Republicans call on Biden to increase military support for Ukraine

And this:

Sen. Graham pushes for F-16s to Ukraine as US declares Russian actions 'crimes against humanity'


Meanwhile Trump and MTG are still praising Russia. MAGA is just a failing movement.


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