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unsunghero 08-02-2023 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Origen (Post 3631376)
There are times when the law does the right thing and the wrong thing, or right thing wrong reason, wrong thing right reason.

And he's orange, not white.

Happens to do the “right” thing when it arrests your political opponents and the wrong thing when it arrests people who vote democrat

Yea I get it

Landroval 08-02-2023 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by unsunghero (Post 3631375)
Wait, what the fuck even is SB5599?

The right for youth for “safe” shelter?

I get so sick of complete misuse of the word “safe”. We already have agencies in place to shelter a child from an unsafe home, which is CPS. So this bill seems to be clearly trying to circumvent the CPS investigative process, and fudge the living shit out of the word “safe” to allow kids to essentially have parental rights severed without the necessary abuse/neglect qualifications, aka no CPS investigation

Remember, all someone has to do to manipulate the living shit out of the left is say “I don’t feel ‘safe’”

Such a sick abuse of language

Some perspective to consider;

Somewhere in the conceptualization of the proposal there is a genuine intent is to protect homosexual children from cuttingly sharp parental abuse. You have to assume there are cases where there are kids relentlessly tormented by parents with a viciously hateful countenance towards homosexuality.

Ultimately, gay people exist in this somewhere too, but there's a difference between "coming to accept" the homosexuality of your child, and attempting to (brow)beat the gay out of them; but this should already be protected under the extant child abuse laws.

aussenseiter 08-02-2023 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Botten (Post 3631374)
When I confess there's no truth, demons remain sleepless in-love with blood starved souls forgotten.

Between birth and death lies will whisper deepest divide before the living

Lies do fashion with the images of angelic faces.

If grown into a stillness, we will respond lies.

The truth laid out to way? Rest well ... die cold

I know the method lips drawn wide to turn and bow

To smile, behind the biting thumb.

Each of us dance well in lies, the hand, the handle and the sword.

(meh D4 is down)


Botten 08-02-2023 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Landroval (Post 3631377)
<Fluff...>

If there is no such thing as Truth, there is also no such thing as a lie; and that is demonstrably false.

(Waiting for the servers to stop lagging sure... I will bite..)

Not necessarily true and can be considered logically flawed.

In reality, truth and falsehood are fundamental concepts that exist independently of our beliefs or perceptions. Truth refers to the state of being in accordance with facts or reality, while a lie is intentionally making a false statement with the intent to deceive.

The assertion that there is no such thing as Truth implies that there are no objective facts or reality, which would mean that everything is subjective and there are no absolute standards for determining what is true or false. However, this claim contradicts itself since the statement itself is presented as a truth claim.

If there were no objective truth, then the concept of a lie would lose its meaning as well. Without a standard of truth, it would be difficult to define what constitutes a lie because there would be no objective reality to compare against.

In practice, truth and falsehood are crucial elements in communication, ethics, science, and many other areas of human existence. While perspectives and interpretations may vary, objective truths do exist, and lies are identifiable when statements deviate from those truths with an intent to deceive.

unsunghero 08-02-2023 11:03 PM

Another problem with SB5599, is that if a child is removed from an “unsafe” home by CPS, there is a nationally accepted policy of attempting to do a “kinship placement” and put the kid with extended family members because, we at least USED to recognize the importance of keeping kids within their own family

Now I guess the policy is to put them in some secret shelter and do medical experiments on them. Fuckin dystopia man

Elizondo 08-02-2023 11:07 PM

Here let me help you:

https://grdiocese.org/wp-content/upl...t-language.pdf

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(1) Every individual has a fundamental right to reproductive freedom, which entails the right to make and effectuate decisions about all matters relating to pregnancy, including but not limited to prenatal care, childbirth, postpartum care, contraception, sterilization (Puberty Blockers), abortion care, miscarriage management, and infertility care.

An individual’s right to reproductive freedom shall not be denied, burdened, nor infringed upon unless justified by a compelling state interest achieved by the least restrictive means.
If you can find the distinction between adult and minor in any of that language I'll wait

Landroval 08-02-2023 11:07 PM

Persuasion is an art of deception; upon first glance, it appears to be a form of "argumentation" but it is NOT. For Argumentation seeks to arrive at conflict, whereas persuasion seeks to arrive at leading the other to be convinced that there is and was no conflict or disagreement to begin with.

Persuasion says, we both like sunshine, and water, and pleasant things; these little contrivances we can discuss at later time, perhaps over a cup of tea, but let us agree, for now, we are the same.

unsunghero 08-02-2023 11:18 PM

I’ve had kids tell me that they are so mad at their parent for whatever reason (usually things like not letting them hang out with a particular friend group, date a particular person, or takes their electronics away) that they plan to call CPS and lie that their parent is abusing them to try to get taken away. Of course with everything being confidential I can’t even warn the parent that CPS is going to be getting involved with them soon

So what’s stopping a kid, if that bill got passed, from not liking their parent for whatever reason, and recognizing that these shelters are a way to get away, and then just agreeing to all the other questions about gender dysphoria because they know that’s what will allow them to stay there

Kids are so naive some would be willing to have medical experiments done on them, if it means they don’t have to live with mean mom who won’t let them play Fortnite. And you just know these shelters are going to be staffed with queer counselors and clinicians just salivating at the opportunity to help another “trans” kid experience their true self

Fucking scary, I hope this bill doesn’t pass. With parental consent is bad enough, without is monstrously bad

Botten 08-02-2023 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizondo (Post 3631388)
Here let me help you:

https://grdiocese.org/wp-content/upl...t-language.pdf

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(1) Every individual has a fundamental right to reproductive freedom, which entails the right to make and effectuate decisions about all matters relating to pregnancy, including but not limited to prenatal care, childbirth, postpartum care, contraception, sterilization (Puberty Blockers), abortion care, miscarriage management, and infertility care.

An individual’s right to reproductive freedom shall not be denied, burdened, nor infringed upon unless justified by a compelling state interest achieved by the least restrictive means.
If you can find the distinction between adult and minor in any of that language I'll wait

You are taking liberties to fit your agenda by putting in parenthesizes (puberty blockers).

but your addition to the interpretation would also be false.

Taking puberty blockers alone should not affect your ability to have a baby in the future.

What you are talking about is hormone therapy. But I won't fault you since you are drinking the Christian disinformation koolaid found none other than here:

https://www.christianpost.com/news/p...ents-show.html

Like I said before GOP politicians are desperately trying to re-energize the Christian base for this election period. Sadly they just don't have the foreign troll power in misinformation they had in 2016. Probably because of that pesky war going on.

Botten 08-02-2023 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Landroval (Post 3631389)
Persuasion is an art of deception; upon first glance, it appears to be a form of "argumentation" but it is NOT. For Argumentation seeks to arrive at conflict, whereas persuasion seeks to arrive at leading the other to be convinced that there is and was no conflict or disagreement to begin with.

Persuasion says, we both like sunshine, and water, and pleasant things; these little contrivances we can discuss at later time, perhaps over a cup of tea, but let us agree, for now, we are the same.

We could but lets have more fun and venture forward. Shall we!


The statement you've made is an interesting perspective on the difference between persuasion and argumentation, but it may not entirely capture the essence of these concepts.

While it is true that persuasion and argumentation have distinct goals and approaches, they are not necessarily mutually exclusive, and their boundaries can be fluid in different contexts.

Persuasion is indeed a form of communication aimed at influencing someone's beliefs, attitudes, or behaviors. It seeks to create agreement or convince the other person that a particular viewpoint is valid. In persuasion, the emphasis is often on emotional appeals, credibility, and the use of various techniques to make the audience more receptive to the message.

On the other hand, argumentation is a process of presenting reasoning and evidence to support a claim or conclusion. Its primary goal is to arrive at a logical resolution to a disagreement or conflicting viewpoints. Argumentation relies on logic, evidence, and critical thinking to build a persuasive case.

While it's true that persuasive communication might try to downplay or conceal areas of disagreement, and argumentation typically addresses and resolves those conflicts directly, they can overlap. In some cases, persuasion might be used within an argumentative framework to make the case more compelling. Conversely, persuasive communication can be part of an argumentative strategy to convince the other party to accept the conclusion reached through reasoning and evidence.

In conclusion, persuasion and argumentation share similarities, but they have distinct aims and approaches. Persuasion is more about convincing someone to adopt a particular viewpoint or take a specific action, while argumentation is about resolving disagreements through reasoning and evidence. Nevertheless, they can complement each other, and both are valuable tools in various communication contexts.


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