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RevengeofGio 02-27-2012 02:03 PM

I'm fine with taking a hard stance on things.... but a lot more BS happens at raid levels that goes unanswered yet they smite newbies. I'm not seeing how this is good.

Flunklesnarkin 02-27-2012 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Smyd (Post 571361)
If this is true, i agree fully. No point in investing time on a server where the Nazi Staff don't do the necessary research they should before suspending and banning.

Once again, if this is true, i also think that hitting the lowbie population with this is utter idiocy considering all the BS happening at raid level.


Hitchens 02-27-2012 02:36 PM

Judgement in regards to OP's actions is fairly draconian, but it may have to do with drama levels reaching critical mass. Things will probably calm down. I seriously doubt Amelinda gets any sort of jollies from handing out suspensions.

Bowgun 02-27-2012 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowgun (Post 571226)
if they dont, im done. And so is the group i play with. Its not right to suspend people for something they didnt know was wrong, and let the guilty one just play and go unpunished.

Im not done with eq. im not gonna play much, but i was overreacting.. its just that if were gonna invest alot of time in this game I wanna know GM's are going to investigate further on things like this. My friend has been accused of two boxing before(which he definitely hasnt two boxed), if someone told amelinda I was two boxing how much further would she investigate than that? Im not going to exploit.. I've read the rules now. Honestly im just afraid of getting super into this game, then getting kicked for something random.

nalkin 02-27-2012 08:11 PM

Bowgun received nearly as harsh a penalty as people who cheated/hacked for 2 years... lol. Sorry bowgun, next time you should try to break the rules more since it appears the penalties are nearly equal

Savok 02-27-2012 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RevengeofGio (Post 571627)
I'm fine with taking a hard stance on things.... but a lot more BS happens at raid levels that goes unanswered yet they smite newbies. I'm not seeing how this is good.


username1337 02-27-2012 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowgun (Post 571219)
Today in Blackburrow me and a friend of mine were fighting tons of gnolls for fangs. Until today I didnt understand what pathing was but i understand it now and im sorry for breaking the rules..I honestly thought that the ledge we were using for pathing was left the way it was to be more like the original EQ.

Thaid had been pathing alongside us for awhile(not in our group) and only after he didnt get the kill on a gnoll commander that we were fighting did type in "Say" that he was going to petition. I asked him why and he remained silent, so i continued fighting gnolls. After awhile Amelinda showed up and told us we were breaking the rules, and that she was going to suspend our accounts for a week. Me and my friend tried to talk to her and tell her that we didnt know we were breaking the rules and what happened with us and thaid, but she swiftly replied with "Doesnt matter, these people told you it was an exploit."

I wasnt gonna flame, but after this incident my friend who ive worked SO HARD to get him into EQ is pretty much completely done with it, Along with six other players who i've informed of what took place. We dont wanna play a game that were gonna get "suspended" for a week from for doing something we ABSOLUTELY didnt know was wrong. I love EQ! But i'd rather they'd just ban us and be done with it, it'd feel less like im a child being given a time out. Nilbog talked about "players spreading lies and rumors and scaring away new players", THIS IS NOT A LIE. I also had three other people that were interested in trying EQ until this happened. GM staff is scaring away new players, not us. I would LOVE to see as many people playing p99 as possible but i will not recommend a server where the GM's wont investigate a matter whatsoever.

Oh also, I had my friend check this on his account. Thaid who KNEW that ledge was an exploit, was using the same exploit as us and only reported us because he wasnt strong enough to steal our kills, is still playing in blackburrow and is not suspended.

I'd like our suspensions removed(Bowgun, Bottles, Antonious). If they are taken away, me and my friends will continue to play on p99. I will also continue to recommend project 1999 to my friends.

Rulings like this one happen all the time on P1999. Why do you think so many posts more or less like this one end up in RnF everyday?

The fact of the matter is P1999 is not friendly to new EverQuest players or MMORPG players in general. Using bad pathing to one's advantage would intuitively seem like intelligent gameplay but in many MMORPGs this behavior is against the rules. Usually on other MMORPG, where players pay to play, the player is given a warning and he stops what he is doing and goes on his marry way. However, on P1999, where there is no cost to create an account and there is no monetary incentive to keep players playing, the GMs/Devs have opted to use a shoot-first-never-ask-questions later policy. This policy was likely adapted because they believe that most players are Everquest Vets that will stop at nothing to get the upper hand, breaking rules in the process. They make a poor assumption that players are fully aware of every rule they break.

This policy does not fare well for true newbs or people who just play this game leisurely because these are the type of people who are not constantly consulting the rulebook for everything they do. In other words, GM/Devs expect you to have the attitude that "If something is too easy, it's likely an exploit". If you're not the type of player who isn't aware of what constitutes easy/hard then how are you supposed to know if what you're doing is somehow circumventing the rules?

It's sad that GMs don't take into consideration context of violations before making a ruling. Perhaps I'm off base but is it not a different situation when a lowbie group wearing newb armor slaying gnolls in BB violates pathing rules versus a level 45 fungi-wearing shaman in lguk violating pathing rules? If people here see these situations the same then wow, just wow, there are no words.

Had GM let this group off with a warning then we wouldn't have this thread, their group would have learned about pathing exploits and to avoid them, and everybody would go on their marry way. In contrast, raiders who continually violate the rules are given the same one week suspensions again and again. Where is the logic to punishments? Obviously raiders will continue to play, but applying the same harsh punishment to new players who may or may not know better is almost ludicrous.

username1337 02-27-2012 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowgun (Post 571219)
Today in Blackburrow me and a friend of mine were fighting tons of gnolls for fangs. Until today I didnt understand what pathing was but i understand it now and im sorry for breaking the rules..I honestly thought that the ledge we were using for pathing was left the way it was to be more like the original EQ.

Thaid had been pathing alongside us for awhile(not in our group) and only after he didnt get the kill on a gnoll commander that we were fighting did type in "Say" that he was going to petition. I asked him why and he remained silent, so i continued fighting gnolls. After awhile Amelinda showed up and told us we were breaking the rules, and that she was going to suspend our accounts for a week. Me and my friend tried to talk to her and tell her that we didnt know we were breaking the rules and what happened with us and thaid, but she swiftly replied with "Doesnt matter, these people told you it was an exploit."

I wasnt gonna flame, but after this incident my friend who ive worked SO HARD to get him into EQ is pretty much completely done with it, Along with six other players who i've informed of what took place. We dont wanna play a game that were gonna get "suspended" for a week from for doing something we ABSOLUTELY didnt know was wrong. I love EQ! But i'd rather they'd just ban us and be done with it, it'd feel less like im a child being given a time out. Nilbog talked about "players spreading lies and rumors and scaring away new players", THIS IS NOT A LIE. I also had three other people that were interested in trying EQ until this happened. GM staff is scaring away new players, not us. I would LOVE to see as many people playing p99 as possible but i will not recommend a server where the GM's wont investigate a matter whatsoever.

Oh also, I had my friend check this on his account. Thaid who KNEW that ledge was an exploit, was using the same exploit as us and only reported us because he wasnt strong enough to steal our kills, is still playing in blackburrow and is not suspended.

I'd like our suspensions removed(Bowgun, Bottles, Antonious). If they are taken away, me and my friends will continue to play on p99. I will also continue to recommend project 1999 to my friends.

Also nobody cares if you play or recommend P1999 to friends. Many players here see more players as a liability to their chance at raid loot.

Nakara 02-28-2012 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Hitchens (Post 571678)
I seriously doubt Amelinda gets any sort of jollies from handing out suspensions.

Really? Seems like a pretty textbook case of loser shutin who finally gets what some may consider to be 'power' and then just abuses the shit of said 'power'

George Harrison 02-28-2012 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Nakara (Post 572450)
Really? Seems like a pretty textbook case of loser shutin who finally gets what some may consider to be 'power' and then just abuses the shit of said 'power'

as did guineapig & uthgaard

these people are brought onto the project specifically for those qualities. Whoever does the hiring of volunteers is and always was completely incompetent.


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