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Originally Posted by Chicka
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Loke, you must know that is not the whole story, or maybe you don't.
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Either you're being purposely disingenuous or you are completely ignorant as to what actually happened
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First, you killed Draco, it was your mob after you had failed the 50 min timer on Inny, all good, but then you steamrolled into Inny too after IB had downed the golems and now had claim and needed to clear fear. But of course you, AS A RAID, knew you didn't have to clear fear because your guild leader (dressed as one of his alt accounts - winterfresh) and at least one officer rounded up the fear mobs that came to his aid and trained IB with them as we were clearing - the supporting screenshots almost certainly secured those two bans, no player made rules necessary. And you, AS A RAID, knew you did not have rights to both mobs. Frankly I think you got off lightly as a guild, even in retrospect. I don't know how you got 40-50 people or whatever you had to follow that path - they couldn't have all been ignorant of what was going on.
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IB violated the raid rules by engaging the golems to trigger consistent death touches. This was done by Otto, to slow down DA as they worked towards the golems. This is in direct violation of Nilbog's rules. Not the player made rules. Nilbog's rules since it states clearly you are absolutely supposed to respect the raid and not attempt to engage the mob they are going for. in this instance, the mobs DA was going for were the golems and your guild purposely aggroed them with a rogue to initiate zone wide death touches from CT. This was done to prevent DA from killing the golems within 50 minutes.
By violating the raid rules, you forfeited your rights to any potential claim. Those are the facts.
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The big difference between that BS, and what happened with WI is that, whether you like it or not, IB chose not to enforce their rights in the situation, and therefore no rule was broken, player made or otherwise.
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In all honesty WI opened up a can of worms. It wasn't up to IB to enforce anything. IB didn't have a leg to stand on since Nilbog has stated he doesn't recognize player made rules. Now as to whether Cyrius or Feiel would have acted differently remains to be seen. I don't even want to begin to speculate, given the questionable past of said GMs.