What I meant by 'fighting' is that you don't have to clear everything (who wants to try and figure out whether they've cleared every individual mushroom) but you can't pull the serious tricks like coh, training stuff away, invis/double invis, etc. And if by the waterfall you mean the jump into Yael's lair, that's what I meant by no parachutes.
I was also thinking we could do a guild version: just count up the number of times each guild appears in the 1-n group categories. It's a much better measure of skill than poopsocking for raid mobs imo.
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