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Originally Posted by Striiker
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The Venril Sathir pop today (February 11) involved questionable tactics employed by some who were after him. This is completely against the spirit of the rules if not completely against the vague "letter" of them.. I would appreciate hearing from all raid guilds and most importantly, from Sirken and/or Rogean about this.
These guilds had a warrior and cleric as trackers plus about 5-ish people logged in, in the zone, ready to rush to support the "trackers" as they engage on pop. This is pretty blatantly poop-socking the target. There's no chance for rushing members to VS to engage him with this kind of tactic. It's rule-lawyering past comments made about having a group in the zone "XPing". Really guys, is this the level of "competition" that is needed? Why can we not agree to level the field here and let everyone have a realistic shot at this?
Sirken or Rogean, can you please lay down the line and enforce it so that this ongoing encroachment ends? The majority of guilds trying for FFA targets are doing their best to adhere to the spirit of the rules in the interests of competition. Being absent in defining rules and enforcing them just encourages more of this and eventually poop-socking will be back in full swing (as in some cases, it already is).
Proposal (enhances competition and mobilization without rewarding those camped or bound in the zone):
1) Trackers can't engage targets. Leave maximum at two trackers. The is more competitive as you not only need to get a force in zone, you need to zone in your tagger. Let the trackers only track.
2) No more grabbing FTE with pets / summoned eyes, etc.
3) Members of guilds camped in the zone or active in the zone must leave the zone before being involved in the engage. (to combat people bound in the zone, all must enter via a zone line or a group port).
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These concerns will most likely result in GM clarification/rule refinement (since I see the discussion boiling down to here's how C wants to raid vs. how R wants to raid) but here are some personal thoughts below:
Proposal #1 Thoughts:
From a C guild standpoint, selecting what class combinations that track/engage based on who's available is part of getting that edge over the competition. It's also not always feasable to field these ideal combinations where another guild might be able to, resulting in having to wait longer for an engage to be possible. Tracker class selection tactics are used for other raid targets such as Trakanon (mage trackers that are ready to CoTH to give them an edge, for example).
Proposal #2 Thoughts:
Pet/eye pulls are one of the safest and best ways to pull a dragon. Currently a raid target will wait three full seconds before engaging anything, giving attack FTE'ers a chance to get their edge against pet/eye/DA body pullers.
Tossing around ideas, increasing the initial aggro time to ten seconds (arbitrary value) may be a possible solution. This should give any half-awake tracker/puller an opportunity to attempt a riskier tag over the person who wants to dice-roll with their troll-faced green con pet sitting under it or drop an eye from miles away.
Proposal #3 Thoughts:
100% would be a policing nightmare - especially with KC where people love to just afk for hours on end. More importantly, right-side trains wouldn't result in so many dead/angry people which creates the most colorful ooc conversations.
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Originally Posted by Splorf22
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My question is: If TMO and FE and such had 5+ in zone, why were they allowed to engage at all? I think we need a clarification of:
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From our understanding, as long as there are only 2 representatives beyond the zone-in this is acceptable grounds for a full engage.
I've been proactive/an asshole about anyone not adhering to the above understanding in particular with this VS. This goes for similar circumstances moving forward (such as Trakanon being in window. We will be forcing out those that want to xp in Sebilis from now on so there is NO grey area).