We saw the fraps and agree that the behavior here was unacceptable. Where our understanding of the situation begins to diverge is over whether this was a raid-related scenario or not. This situation mirrors if someone were to disrupt a Chardok AoE pull. If this is a raid zone because of raid targets spawning, then Dreadlands, Skyfire, Karnor's Castle, Timorous Deep, SolB, Permafrost, Sebilis, Plane of Hate and Plane of Sky (which a raid suspended guild recently killed 3 raid targets in) should all be considered raid zones and any training warrant guild suspensions.
This issue is between a single player of the community and another group of players. The player has been removed from TMO for his actions and the guild has dealt with it internally. Leadership is involved to the extent of coming to a reasonable resolution on how to punish the player. Despite the presence of leadership, you cannot A) assume that a directive was given for this player to act in this manner and B) as any guild knows, you cannot always account for the unpredictable behavior of all members at all times, whether you are present or not.
BDA was offered to have the offending member pull hate and fear for a week for them, which would have been both embarrassing and punishment enough for Dinacarl - BDA rejected that proposal. TMO further extends the offer to voluntarily suspend themselves from Plane of Fear clears (with the exception of Draco and CT, as these mobs weren't even in window during this incident).
Also, there is a mutual fault here that precedes the matter with BDA entering a plane that is currently occupied and laying claim (monopolizing) the entire zone. This continued even after the leader of BDA, Chest, was informed that all we were after were monkey's and fetids to which he dismissed our request and proceeded to AoE those targets along with the rest of the zone. I do not support the motion that one foul deed deserves another, but I do think that appropriate weight be given to this matter as well; not for the sake of retribution, as we really have/had no intention of pursuing that as a matter, but if for any reason to make situations like this fewer and further between.
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