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Originally Posted by Derubael
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If this is the only offer you made, you need to go back to TMO and try to be more reasonable. This is absolutely not BDA attempting to work this out or come to a fair agreement - it's looking for a pound of flesh to take with you. Since there wasn't a raid mob involved, you'll have to find some other concession that works for both of you. If the TMO group was separate from the GT group, it's questionable as to whether or not this is even considered a 'raid dispute', but this is how we'd like all disputes to be resolved anyway.
Back to the negotiation table, fellas.
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Have you spoken to Mazam before making the assumption that it's a "pound of flesh" situation? Maz was in our vent last night for the better part of an hour and we had cordial conversation, but both Maz and the BDA crew that were in there (Chest, Anthrax, Cucumbers, Troubledour, myself - sorry if I left any other officers out) agreed that we can't come to a resolution because we differ in opinion on the severity of the training. Raid dispute vs. individual asshattery is the center of that disagreement.
Individual asshattery, historically, has been policed by server staff and done so typically swiftly and sternly (individual suspensions, bans, etc). Raid disputes are when guild leadership is told to first try to reach a resolution, and to try hard, before escalating.
That's happened. Unfortunately, an agreement has not been made. I can understand server staff requesting that we continue to go to the table with each other - but please stop painting it like it's a one way street where BDA is off the handle and forcing the resolution to never come to fruition. Both Mazam and Chest AGREE that they differ in opinion on the severity of the issue, and therein cannot reach a resolution.
I understand your distaste (both Sirken and Derubael) for Chest individually, but if you'd offer him (and BDA) even 1/2 the respect in public that you do other guild leadership (and stop discounting his statements just because he is who he is) perhaps that would help resolutions be less difficult to solve.