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Originally Posted by Tiggles
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Here is the Theory that Howland Reed and Ashara Dayne are the parents of Jojen and Meera Reed.
- The Tourney at Harrenhal: Howland Reed is watching Ashara and actually makes a list of all the people that she dances with. This has no bearing on the rest of the KotLT story, and yet it is mentioned. Why? Meera, who is telling the story, would have no reason to mention this to Bran and yet she does. Why?
- We are told by Barristan that Ashara had a daughter. If that daughter was not stillborn, and lived, Meera is one of the only candidates, due to being the right age and gender. She is about nine or ten months older than Jon, and therefore one of the only known characters born in the beginning of Robert's Rebellion.
- Jojen got grey water fever, which is odd because while it affects the Ironborn, you would think that the crannogmen would be immune to it. His eyes are moss-green, which is a color given to mark seers. But what color were they before the fever?
- Barristan Selmy, who loved Ashara, remarks that: "She wants fire, and Dorne sent her mud. You could make a poultice out of mud to cool a fever. You could plant seeds in mud and grow a crop to feed your children. Mud would nourish you, where fire would only consume you, but fools and children and young girls would choose fire every time." Considering how many things he has been wrong about so far, is he wrong about this too? Did Ashara choose an actual "mudman"?
- We are told that Ned would have died at the TOJ but for Howland Reed. What does this mean? Was it crannog magic, or was Howland Arthur's brother-in-law?
- Why was Ned so quick to defend Ashara if R+L=J? It would make sense if she was the wife of his bannerman.
- There is specific language over and over again with regards to the Reeds and Bran. Towers, Stars, Falling, and Summer come up constantly. Hints for Starfall, Palestone Tower, and the Summer Sea, perhaps?
- The Dornish are looked down on by the other kingsdoms, as are the crannogmen. The crannogmen are reviled for their guerrilla tactics, which are considered cowardly, something the Dornish also have in common with them. Howland has spent his life among the water, just as Ashara spent hers on the edges of the Summer Sea. House Reed also has an ongoing feud with House Frey, just as House Dayne has an ongoing feud with House Oakheart. Common ground for a romance?
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1) Meera is surprised Bran hasnt heard this story because it also involves Brandon Stark asking Ashara to dance with Eddard, and while she agrees, she prefers Brandon. we also have a mention from Barristan describing that he had eyes for her that night as well, but not the balls to act on it. Ashara is important, agreed. but i truly believe she is disguised as Septa Lemore and traveling with Connington and Aegon.
2) agreed. the time line fits for her birth. but nothing else. Howland Reed would have had to stay behind in Dorne after Eddard returned Dawn to the Dayne family. Jon was conceived ~9 months before eddard shows up at the tower. Meera would have to have been conceived shortly after, and would have had to leave with Howland shortly after being born as Ashara slew herself (or faked her death)
3) Ashara died (or left westeros) in 283AC, Jojen is born in 286AC
4) but Howland isnt from Dorne. hes from greywater watch in the the neck.
5) it means that had it been left to straight 1 v 1, Arthur Dayne would murder Eddard 10 times outta 10 times.
6) because eddard has had a thing for Ashara since the tourny. remember he wasnt suppose to marry cat at that point as Brandon and their father were still alive.
7) maybe. or possible red herrings
8) a lot in common for sure. but, still not possible due to time and geography. Jojen cant be ashara's kid, Meera only can be if Howland stayed at least 9 months with the daynes after Eddard dropped off Dawn.