[Victorio]

This pertains to both the Sontalak thread where it is mentioned that someone should look into his fear (as it was described as "weak" fear) as well as what's been mentioned in the Klandicar threads and possible upcoming Zlandicar thread (unless I've missed it.) The fact is that there are two separate versions of Dragon Roar, one has a -150 MR component and one does not have this component. This separates the "strong" and "weak" fears that we people from the era talk about.

So let's start with this golden nugget of a thread about Klandicar:
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15877

First question: what kind of resists does it take to completely resist his AE? We're not having any trouble with fear, but the AE is tearing us up.

Im not so sure. I went ahead and checked Lucy for Dragon Roar and found 2 of them - http://lucy.fnord.net/spelllist.html...xt=dragon+roar

I think Kland's is the one without the -150 adjustment. His fear barely ever hit me with ~200 MR. But when we did Gorenaire just like 3 months ago, most of her fears hit me, with ~250 MR. I think the kunark dragons have the -150 adjustment one

Well, your already ubah in my eyes. My guild's first try we had 30 people with an average level of 57, got smoked. Not enough DPS and lot's of lower levels getting hammered by the AE fear. I was the only healer healing for 20 seconds after the fear every time. We got him the next morning with 28 average level of 59,I wasn't there for the second run.

Debuffs are key on Klandicar. Although the only slows I remember having landed on him were from melee range. Once debuffed and slowed he's pretty easy. Although we do him with 20ish toons(I am from a lvl 55-65 guild). I dont think there is much neg resist on his fear btw as my ranger usually resists them with 200ish mr. Good luck.

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Note, if you search lucy today, you see the two dragon roars, at -150 and 0 resist adjust, as well as the fabled dragon roar with -275.
http://lucy.fnord.net/spelllist.html...xt=dragon+roar
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Here's another thread, this time about Zlandicar: (Nov 02)

http://thesteelwarrior.yuku.com/topi...r#.U7o3m_ldV5c

Did a search and went back about 15pages, didn't find anything too helpful.

Just would like some tips on dealing with him.

current info, please correct if not right:
Not many hp for a brood dragon, 80k?
Procs a melee DD?
Slowable
Fear is easier to resist than others?
AoE?
poision and disease?
Doesn't see invis
is alone in his room past the waterfall?
Fun fight? i'd like to get my guild doing the dragons of this level more often than we do now.
would 4 groups be ok for a first time?

thanks in advance, appreciate any help

Responses:

Fear is easier to resist than others?
Hmmm I'd say yes, never been feared by him myself.

Fear is easier to resist than others?
I don't recall the fear being much different than the other ST dragons.

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Note: Exactly, it wasn't different than the ST dragons, Zlandicar Fear = Klandicar fear = Sontalak Fear.
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Another Thread about Zlandicar:
http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum...ead.php?t=3900

Zlandicar resists?

Just a quickie, lots of debate on this.. For Zlandicar buff poison or disease?

I know, I know, his AE is weak anyway, but was trying to do it with true minimum force.. buff poison or disease? Tired of doing both.

Killed him and we went DR the whole way back when I was 60. Very few AE's landed, many reported the same thing. It's not like I was maxed PR at the time

Disease and magic. 200 disease resist at level 65 will insure that at most one or two AE dots stick on you (if any) the whole fight (and they aren't very damaging and are curable).

Magic because he AE fears. His fear is also easily resisted as well, 200 MR should more than do the trick.

He's a necro, so he might cast a poison dot or dd on whoever has aggro, but I don't think it's worth the trouble to buff up PR.

There's a lot more stuff you can find, but that's just a few things. As I mentioned in the other thread, I fought these guys during Velious. My server (Sullon Zek) had been opened up not long after Velious went live, so we did not even have time to farm Kunark gear and we were not all 60s when we started to do these Velious encounters. We were certainly doing far, far worse on resists than the characters we're now beta testing Velious with, and definitely worse than beta buffed characters. Still, it was always the case that once you got to lvl 60 and 200+ MR, you were safe from the dragon roars in Velious.

If one is wondering "man, why would they nerf the dragon roar from -150 MR to 0 MR" ? Well, because they were upping the dragon level to 70 while players were still at lvl 60 (and they were also dramatically increasing their HP.) Whereas the purpose of Dragon Roar during Kunark was to cut down on the number of attacking players to help protect a 32khp mob's precious hitpoints, its purpose changed during Velious so that it became a regular, manageable aspect of a dragon fight. Basically, get your guild to 60, get decent MR (200+ with or without a bard), and you'd be fine. The challenge came in sustaining your guild over time against various different AEs, etc.