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Originally Posted by DeruIsLove
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I disagree with your second point vehemently. An example: While the conquest of the Americas which nearly entirely wiped out all indigenous peoples was imperialistic in nature, every murder/rape/death from the first child Columbus raped to the conquest of Central/South America to the NE natives who's deaths were celebrated at thanksgiving, were all entirely 'justified' in the eyes of their murderers because savage peoples weren't holy.
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look to your own quote below to see why this is a hollow argument. there's no causation. like you said, the conquest and murders were imperialistic in nature. why are you so preoccupied with the justifications that were offered? do you think the americas wouldn't have been taken by conquest without religious justification? there's always some justification. nobody ever just says "we're committing atrocities, deal with it". we've seen too many of these horrors committed by secular governments to seriously believe religion is the driving force. hitler, stalin, mao, pol pot -- they did the same things without any religious justifications
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Originally Posted by DeruIsLove
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Now you are confusing causation with results. Or are you going to try to tell me that 10,000% more people on the planet and much more efficient methods of wiping people off the map have nothing to do with the higher death tolls in recent wars compared to the crusades.
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i'm not even referencing numbers. i would say nazi germany was more murderous in its scope and dedication than even the crusaders or the spanish inquisition. at least with the crusaders and inquisitors, there was a non-murderous goal. the crusaders wanted the holy land. the inquisitors wanted to defend spain's catholic character. nazi germany wanted to kill all the jews, gypsies, handicapped, and homosexuals. that was the goal.
but like i said, the point is just that they're no less murderous. maybe you don't think they were worse, but there's no way you could say hitler/stalin/pol pot were better than anyone